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the latest biden border fascism bill included sixty billion dollars for weapons for ukraine, which is (no bullshit) enough money to give every homeless person in america a hundred grand
Hear me out: what if instead of helping people get houses, we instead spend a hundred grand a pop on making brand new skeletons in eastern Europe?
I remember at the very beginning of the Ukraine war as aid packages began to be delivered people talking about how the things we were giving them, despite the billion dollar price tags, were all expired or outdated equipment that the US was ordinarily only paying to warehouse or paying more to dispose of and so giving these billions of dollars worth of equipment to Ukraine was actually saving us money.
I have no idea if that had any bearing on reality but it surely is no longer true, now we're just pouring starving American children's food into the gun barrels of another made up war?
Now the line is that the sixty billion dollars costs us nothing at all, actually, because it will all be given to american defense contractors and thus their workers so the money is staying inside america (?)
Oh yeah, those defense contractors famous for how their profits are turned directly into prosperity among the under-priviledged...
It wasn’t long ago I would talk to people about how that world of Star Trek is actually possible under socialism, at least in the future. Especially with replicators, imagine living in a post-scarcity world where our basic needs are met.
But then I realized, we could basically have all that now, globally. We don’t even need replicators. We are at post-scarcity already, it’s just we as a species refuse to do things rationally and fairly.
I have no doubt that in 2024, current productive forces would allow for everyone on earth to have what they need and to thrive. And under global socialism, it would probably just take a few years to get everything to be ecologically sustainable, too. But in short order we have the resources to give everyone on earth good food and water, a comfortable home, clothing, education, healthcare, plus all the stuff that makes life fun. And do it all in a sustainable way. Our current productive capabilities really are almost hard to comprehend.
Every person suffering from their material conditions is there because capital wants them to be in that position.
It's very much real.
right, "social construct" doesn't mean "imaginary"
Yeah, and, for example, Marx said that "money" was technically "real" as early as The German Ideology. It wasn't a matter of saying "money is fiat and therefore it doesn't exist!" It was a matter of dealing with the system at the heart of it.
He iterates this with his belief in god: they’re all real because we said they are and affect our lives and the lives of others 
yeah
It doesnt have to be.
I'm saying that you can't "pick up a gun tomorrow" in order to topple the whole system and even that requires action and force.
You have to build a movement, build dual power, etc. It's a long process. It's not about everyone just "stopping what they're doing right now."
Idk, maybe I'm being pedantic lmao
I think we're both being doomer. My point is our society has the ability to eradicate poverty; but decides not to. You're saying we cant make that happen currently. I agree.
Again, sorry if I come off as pedantic or argumentative.
Good faith conversation is always a win.
Of course!
I should clarify what I'm saying: it's not a problem of "society" (which puts the onus on the average proletarian) but the mode of production and the bourgeois power structure.
I think we will get rid of it eventually.
To me, it's not a matter of if, but when.
But I understand what you're saying and I'm sorry if you're feeling down.
But I think that the situation is not hopeless and so I don't mean to come off as being a "doomer."
Thank you. Not feeling down; I just think its something I forget to remember and others may benefit from a reminder. It doesnt have to be like this. We can do better. Also yes onus is on the Proletariat
Also yes onus is on the Proletariat
Wait, are you joking? 
That is the opposite of what Pluto said...
My cave was run by union shadow puppets.
Err yeah, but it might have been a mistake on his part when they typed it.
Alright, well, I've said my piece.
this post was submitted on 09 Mar 2024
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