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From this post: https://hexbear.net/post/2063160. The whole comments thread is gold, this guy is on a reply streak.

Someone get him on the lathe, let's see more CEOs getting held personally liable.

Also, bonus points that this guy can take time away from his busy day of running a company to post on IGN comment threads, really speaks to the important work he's doing.

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[–] ForgetPrimacy@lemmygrad.ml 46 points 8 months ago (2 children)

His argument is that we need CEOs so that someone can be held responsible when a company commits crimes...

In what world do C-Suites ever face consequences??

[–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 50 points 8 months ago (1 children)

xigma-male in china from time to time

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Also, if everything can be fully automated, why are we programming AIs to commit crime on behalf of a company?

Is this a Megaman X reference?

[–] ForgetPrimacy@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Hey waitaminute... actually this is a great idea then!

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 5 points 8 months ago

Can't wait to have all out climate work ruined in a week because Pollution Pig was leading a company but went maverick big-cool

[–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 43 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Man I wish the world worked the way this guy thinks it does. If we’re gonna have this capitalist structure, that should be the point of a CEO. When the BP oil spill happened the head of BP should’ve been executed for his crimes.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 29 points 8 months ago (1 children)

with all shareholders, like a pharaoh

[–] Findom_DeLuise@hexbear.net 25 points 8 months ago

The board of directors should be entombed along with the CEO when the CEO dies or steps down.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 6 points 8 months ago

Hear me out here, everyone. Let's say we get to a point where AI replaces most of industry, and if we need someone to be held accountable. Why not have people democratically decide on what the AI can and cannot do, and when the AI does something we do not like, we democratically tell the AI not to do that.

I know I know....really crazy idea.

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 40 points 8 months ago (3 children)

What? Just implement a corporate death penalty and have the state seize the corporation's asset if the corporate person does something illegal. Corporations are people, don't they know this?

[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 31 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"I will believe corporations are people when Texas executes one."

[–] cqthca@reddthat.com 3 points 8 months ago
[–] jonne@infosec.pub 16 points 8 months ago

Besides, when's the last time a CEO was actually held personally liable for anything in the US? It's purely an academic distinction, and I would argue it's probably easier to keep an AI within the confines of the law if governments mandated this to be the case. You program it in, and if you didn't the owner is liable.

[–] cqthca@reddthat.com 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

One time a dead Pope's corpse was put on trial. Cadaver Synod - wikipedia

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We'll do this with kissinger

[–] cqthca@reddthat.com 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

We could. I think he did a lot of fucked up things, just to get pussy I read his biography. https://www.amazon.com/Kissinger-Biography-Walter-Isaacson/dp/0743286979 I also read the book transcripts of the Nixon Tapes

[–] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 25 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

xigma-male "okay" executes criminal CEOs

wojak-nooo "Noooooo! Not like that!"

[–] RedQuestionAsker2@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You know, actually, the argument that we need CEOs because we need to have someone to execute is kind of persuasive....

[–] huf@hexbear.net 11 points 8 months ago

Chief Executed Officer

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I hate that corpos made LLMs perceived as "AI" (now we have that term AGI for it), because it makes idiots like this think it's capable of thought.

[–] disposable_cracker@hexbear.net 4 points 8 months ago

That's been the case with AI forever now. It's just that the shiny new tech that the term refers to changes over time.

[–] FOSS_Propagandist@hexbear.net 4 points 8 months ago

Ten years ago my rice cooker was "AI" because it used "fuzzy logic" to keep the temperature in a certain range.

[–] cqthca@reddthat.com 2 points 8 months ago

Superintelligece by Nick Bostrom; he outlines the situation pretty well.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago

Very telling how AI taking over art is seen as a huge priority but CEOs are magically immune to being replaced by AI, trust me.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] the_itsb@hexbear.net 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

here you go!

barkley611

7 hours ago

What Al cannot do today, one day it can. It does not die, does not get sick, does not forget, does not require benefits, childcare, vacation days, sick days, does not have to meet EEOC guides, does not complain, does not create discord within the company, will never go on strike, and does not need 1...

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armanbfar

2 hours ago

I gotta be honest... as someone that has worked in games for the last 6 years as a Narrative Designer, and having worked with Al on a project recently and it not going well (I wish I could say more, but I'm under NDA)... there is no job Al is better suited for now and in the future than a C-suite executive

CEOs either take the highest salary or profits. Both of which an Al can push back into the company. Executives are highly risk adverse, as Al is programmed to be Executives are also data-driven because they're so risk adverse, which is literally how Al functions at its most base level. What we call Al does not understand the words it writes or the data it interprets. It "learns" to mimic the highest probable expectation based on what it has "learned", which, no offense, is exactly what C- Suite management AAA games especially are too unwieldy for an executive to have any creative input unless they dedicate 20 hours a day to it like Swen Vicke, who ALSO represents a non-public company meaning Larian did not have to go through stupid layoffs when interest prices went up like every other company did. COO, CEO, even CFO, they are all managing expectations and following expected probability, which is genuinely the only future for Al. It does not understand how to innovate, which is fitting because the vast majority of executives do not understand it either.

You've made an amazing argument for why you should step down and let an Al do your jobl

barkley611

1 hour ago

Unfortunately, through all of that and its worthiness, the fact remains: A defendant must be present in court. A real person. Besides the lawyer, and the lawyer could be Al Bottom line end all, someone takes the fall. Of any of the board members, that will be the one the board voted as its Chief Executive. It's really that simple.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 3 points 8 months ago
[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 9 points 8 months ago