chapotraphouse

The average person is conflict avoidant and terrible at negotiating. In general life, this is even a virtue. But it's bad for revolutions. Get more comfortable being stubborn, people

An immediate vote might be a win. A months away vote is a defeat for the student movement here.

What amuses me the most is that libs would get mad if they saw this thread.

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Y'all don't understand how things work. Don't be naïve. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Etc etc fucking etc

A few months later:

The vote was rigged and nothing changed??

Damn these mfers got that ivy league education..

All the institutions in the US/allies nearly instantaneously divested from all Russian-related ventures immediately upon Russian military entering Ukrainian territories

The only reason for a delay is to let the "passions" of this moment fade and then simply vote it down in October. If there was an actual intention to divest, they could hold a vote this week, next week, first week of June... October is incredibly far off and there can't be justification for it.

I think it's good that they are at least agreeing to think about/talk about it, but ultimately this is now a non-negotiable topic and I don't think the boomers have realized it yet. Israel must be shut off from the world economically and all the sanctions that liberals drooled over for Russia placed on Israel... immediately. At least until they end (not agree to talk about, but actually end it) their apartheid system, tear down that wall around Gaza, allow a Palestinian state which is connected, and of course end all current and future illegal military aggression against Palestine, end the illegal embargo.

(At the vote in 5 most months) That was an amazing speach sweaty, but unfortunately there's just nothing we can do, we just have to support genocide

Come Octoberthey will get a seat on a committee preparing the vote. After eight months of deliberations a vote is held whether or not to endorse a petition to the board to divest from companies without a CSR policy. The vote will pass and the board will consider the petition but will ultimately reject it due to legal advice about their fiduciary responsibility for the endowment and the risk of antisemitism suits of a zionism-related company is divested from.

students of brown university, you are the weakest link

They did this shit during BLM and Occupy and every other big protest during my lifetime. I know some of these people weren't really around for occupy, but surely they remember BLM

Never trust Liberals on anything

Lack of object permanence is a hell of a thing

Maybe the certain failure will spur some of them to radicalize, realizing the intent was only to dupe them

Maybe they will treat this failure like every other, as a problem of 'bad faith actors', not as a system working exactly as intended

Never let the opposition delay elections.

Trueanon Rules Broken, prepare for consequences.

If these dumbasses get in a helicopter, stalin help them.

Not even an actual action but vote? Yeah they're cooked.

They will unanimously vote to not divest.

more like Clown University

Oh yeah sure maybe we'll have a vote in october and what do ya know we decded to increase our holdings. Remember to

October!?

Wow cool, maybe some Palestinian children might still be alive by October!

5 months later all the palestinians are dead

And then the uni will vote against divestment...

Guillible fools.

White libs white-libbing. On all my ancestors if Palestine ends up ground underfoot by Israel, and these colonoids could've prevented it if they had the FIRST IOTA of international solidarity or organizational discipline, I'm going to let myself become actually, explicitly and earnestly racist against whites; I already can't see them as allies, but they are just sitting on their hands while their president aids and abets a genocide like shit is sweet. I will not forget.

look at my activists dawg 💀

Carrots are vegetables.

admittedly, end of the school year means they only have so much leverage for so long. But this seems like a paper "win" just to make people feel better and send them home without getting arrested. I think this is the tactic most schools are using "oh well admin can't do this unilaterally we have to go to xyz board/committee with it" and then the students stand down with just a handshake promise that they'll propose it at the next meeting. On paper, it seems miles better than what they've ever gotten before (the lead organizers of these events have mostly all been involved before oct 7th and gotten used to being shut down and ignored,) and if they can get amnesty from reprisals/prosecution to boot...

Honestly I don't know what the right answer is though (this ain't it obviously, but still), they only have so much support, and the supporters are only willing to take so much risk, especially seems to be more of a thing at smaller schools with less eyes on them. Basically any city in the country has enough swat teams and riot cops they can call in to clear something like this unless mayyyybe if the group was very organized, militant, and dug in. The reason they don't is optics but the harder the students push, the easier it gets to just paint them as violent rioters or whatever and come in and mass arrest, which with how disciplined cops are would probably turn into another kent state. Just staying indefinitely doesn't work because kids leave for the summer, and once the numbers wane its a lot easier to just come in and sweep them.