There’s so many stories of murders and criminal negligence and there’s no archive of it, the stories range from racist Fox News propaganda to genuine unreported instances of government murder. I want the truth, I want to know what happened in the astrodome, and I will get into arguments and fist fights with Boxing Day truthers because I’m actively commodifying a tragedy.

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[–] Frank@hexbear.net 52 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I swear that Citations Needed had an episode on all the Katrina bullshit but I can't find it.

But, basically, there are a fair number of Katrina truthers who have gone over all the bullshit exhaustively, gone over how Louisiana used Katrina to gentrify New Orleans, gone over all the Chris Kyle bullshit, gone over the cops shooting random people, all in detail, but it's all in the rear view mirror because it was so long ago. But it's out there. i swear either citations-needed , Chapo, War Nerd, or TrueAnon did at least one deep dive on this. I'm pretty sure Chapo or Trueanon did a Chris Kyle episode, too.

[–] Oxycleanman@hexbear.net 30 points 5 months ago

it was one of their first episodes about education. the katrina storm was a good way for the bush admin to fake documents.

[–] FloridaBoi@hexbear.net 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It was also in The Shock Doctrine

[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 13 points 5 months ago

came here to say this yeah definitely worth a read it's mentioned pretty early on in the book iirc

[–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 43 points 5 months ago

it was the other way around actually, cops were going around wrangling any black person they found and either killing them or illegally arresting them and putting them in a concentration camp

[–] EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net 40 points 5 months ago (1 children)

George Bush doesn’t care about black people.

[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Kanye has never said anything but pure facts 💯

[–] TeddyKila@hexbear.net 17 points 5 months ago

the alex jones collab where jones muted his mic for going on about how much he loved hitler was a real snipes-hesitation

[–] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'll bite: "Hurricane Katrina never happened."

[–] supafuzz@hexbear.net 26 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It happened but it was an inside job

[–] un_mask_me@hexbear.net 15 points 5 months ago

The levy was built to fail

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 28 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Chris Kyle shot at them! He'd never lie to America! /s

[–] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Guy was a total dumbass too considering how he died.

I get legitimately pissed when I see absolute braindeads praising him too in comment sections when his death is mentioned.

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I mean he was trying to help a fellow vet with PTSD was my understanding. Too bad both of them were too socially fucked to understand their government gave them psychological trauma for a WMD lie.

[–] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 5 months ago

I dunno about the guy who shot him, but Chris Kyle was well and far beyond just some pawn in imperialism. He was a proud imperialist who glamorized his murders, took pride in his exceptionally high number of murders, and even fantasized about doing the same to displaced, starving, thirsty Americans.

At some point people move beyond being mere "victims" of imperialism (being indoctrinated from birth) into being willing actors with full understanding and agency in their actions and Chris Kyle epitomizes it.

I don't know if he ever expressed real regret for his actions. I don't think he did, but, even if he did, helping some guy with PTSD isn't going to undo or "restore" victims of harm he did. The best he could do is be an active mouthpiece against imperialism. And uh he did posses a particular set of skills that could be useful towards that end...

"Defect, Yankee!"

"You cannot win, Yankee!"

But yeah, for people like that they probably can't ever complete a journey towards restorative justice. Most of them also don't even try. They're never held accountable by any government. Society has no punishment for them. The only punishment they receive is PTSD or a general feeling of "I'm a bad person."

If they want real justice they'd have to submit themselves to their victims/victims' families. Which seems laughable to westerners because everyone inherently knows what those people or governments where they committed crimes would seek as punishment... dude killed fuck loads of people in a foreign country. People who were engaged in a righteous and legal defense against him. So instead he and many others go "woah, fuck that!" and decide to drive their vet buddy to the shooting range for some amateur style exposure therapy... they/society never reckon with facts like he was literally shooting people ("terrorists") who were defending their homes, land, and people from an invading force. Americans just see all his victims as "terrorists" like mindless jihadis who only wanted to murder their own people instead of what they really were which is desperate, angry people trying to resist imperialism. The same people who celebrate Kyle are the same ones now days who celebrate the "brave IDF!" or whatever as they bomb another neighborhood into rubble.

That's why I have nothing but contempt for him and why it makes me sick when people try to make him into a good guy.

[–] D61@hexbear.net 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Didn't he get shot at a gun range?

Seems like a bad place to try to help somebody with PTSD.

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago

You're not wrong. I missremembered it being in a car on the way to a gun range.

[–] copandballtorture@hexbear.net 18 points 5 months ago

Pre smart phone era so much harder to corroborate

[–] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Boxing Day truthers

What the hell is that about? The tsunami?

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 9 points 5 months ago

There are no truthers because just like with the "roof Koreans", the image of hordes of minority "looters" during a natural disaster is too useful to question us-foreign-policy hitler-detector