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BadEmpanada is mad Hasan went to the DNC, I guess. (hexbear.net)
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Dude just loves riling himself up into a frenzy, doesn’t he? I guess he was mad that Hasan was going to interview Obama, which never even happened, and now he thinks Hasan is a “genocide supporter” because a random YouTube clip he came across that said “Hasan supports Kamala’s policies”, which he never even watched and was most likely just clipped. Hasan isn’t perfect, but fuck, you think at least him going to the DNC as a journalist would be considered fair from BE. Wild.

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[-] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 82 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

we're never going to have an online radicalization pipeline i-cant

[-] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 105 points 2 months ago

all I will say regarding this is that my brother started watching Hasan a year ago and he's gone from a biden supporter to a kamala-despising communist, so if Hasan's role is funnelling disaffected people back into liberalism, anecdotally, he's very much failing at that shrug-outta-hecks

[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 77 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This is the reason I am in general fine with whatever Hasan's shenanigans are. Honestly my biggest reason that I do not hate his nepo-baby existence is because he is the anti-Vaush, whereas Vaush's pipeline is anarchist to natoist, Hasan's is clearly democrat to communist.

It's all still very fucking stupid and I wish the kids would get their politics elsewhere, from like actual lived experiences, but I will settle.

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 38 points 2 months ago

I just wish people could sit down and read, for their own sake. I'm guilty of doing very little reading myself (only read a couple modern theory books and 2 Marx and Lenin books lol) but the fact that everything complex has to get simplified into videos and clips just makes it incredibly hard to transmit a whole different worldview.

[-] Sulvor@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago

Top 10 Marxist Positions!

[-] MayoPete@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago

Landlords HATE this one simple trick mao-aggro-shining

[-] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago

It's all still very fucking stupid and I wish the kids would get their politics elsewhere, from like actual lived experiences, but I will settle.

Could you expand on this?

[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

A better, and more helpful way for young leftists to 'do politics' when you are young is not through media consumption, but through actual participation in politics. In particular, a very interesting breeding ground for these experiences is school politics, where you will begin, if you can even run a successful campaign in the first place (which is a learning experience itself) how systems of power actually influence the world, like how a 'democratic institution" is actually completely at the whims of an undemocratic bureaucracy.

For example, when I was a young rad-lib in high school, I was treasurer for two years in a row, with one of the major projects that happened in our first year being the development of a subsidized after-school study program for under-performing students that would actually pay kids to be there (we could only afford 5 dollars an hour a day, but it was better than nothing). This was because most of the kids I knew that were struggling in school also had other money problems this would require not doing expensive dances, but we felt that if we could get students even a little extra time, it could potentially get us more government money for the school in general. Surprisingly, most of the student government was on board with it. After running it through a bunch of different things, we eventually were able to vote on a version of the program that would run for only one month before standardized testing. Not great, but again, better than nothing.

After the vote, we went to the administration to iron out the details with them, and they immediatly put the kai-bosh on it, killing the program in the womb and telling us we were interfering with academic programming and that it was illegal. To be fair, it might not be legal to pay kids to go to school, but we didn't know that.

The next year we were allowed to spend a bunch of money on a huge new American flag and huge dance venue on a military base, being strictly monitored throughout our voting process. You know, things that only benefit rich kids and subsidize costs that the administration themselves should be spending.

It was one of the eye-openers for me and really started me down the path of radicalization, more so than any event that was mediated (the Iraq war etc.) in particular it taught me not to trust what I believed at the time were 'so-called liberal administrators'. My full turn toward M-L theory and communism came after watching and participating in the Bernie campaign, but I likely would have never done that without those formative experiences in actual student politics.

Meanwhile, almost every radical anarchist kid I knew in school (we didn't have any commies at the time), that didn't participate in student government because it was 'lame and pointless' (which, ya know, fair) has become some form of hyper-online right-wing libertarian or anarcho-natoist in their thirties. It's one of those things where I feel like because they never actually are where the rubber hits the road, their politics are almost purely reactionary, as opposed to attempting to be forward thinking, program oriented and analytical. The real ones were big in Food Not Bombs, and aren't as online.

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[-] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 50 points 2 months ago

Hasan functions as Chapo for people born after 9/11

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

all I will say regarding this is that my brother started watching Hasan a year ago and he's gone from a biden supporter to a kamala-despising communist, so if Hasan's role is funnelling disaffected people back into liberalism, anecdotally, he's very much failing at that

Hasan repeatedly shutting down anti-"tankie" rhetoric is the source of this.

Everyone that either silently allows that shit or vocally supports it funnels people back into the dems.

Everyone that does not allow that shit funnels people into further radicalisation.

It's that simple.

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[-] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 70 points 2 months ago

Hasan has lib moments but he's good on >90% of issues. He has a massive audience to which he spreads leftist ideas, like it's honestly so lucky that one of the biggest streamers on twitch is pro-China and singlehandedly normalizing Xi chad memes on the platform. He also reaches a lot of non-political people thanks to being friends with people like Ludwig, Valkyrae or pokimane, introducing them and their audiences to expressly political figures like Felix Biedermann and Brace Belden.

Good luck starting the revolution by hissing at everyone who doesn't already agree with you.

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[-] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 54 points 2 months ago

I once visited a bank, I'm now a capitalist.

[-] usa_suxxx@hexbear.net 47 points 2 months ago

Influencer mad at another Influencer. Very expected

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[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 45 points 2 months ago

Dialectical materialism is me wanting to shit on Hasan for being a sheepdog millionaire living in a mansion vs me wanting to shit on BadEmpanada for being a deranged sexpat gringo holed up in Argentina

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago

The only correct take in this entire thread.

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[-] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 39 points 2 months ago

All streamers are deeply unserious people

[-] gueybana@hexbear.net 35 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Unless you’re just some dude in the Gobi desert who doesn’t even have internet, there is zero merit to being this absolutist

[-] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 34 points 2 months ago

We need to stop purity testing and seeing if people are "good" and start seeing if people are useful instead. Hasan might be a bit cuddled up with libs(bad) and is a millionaire(owns a house) but he provides a useful service and pipeline for the left, making him useful. Norman Finkelstein is a transphobe(bad), but his analysis is invaluable and is tremendously useful to the left. I don't care if a person is good or moral. I care if they help the left. BE occasionally produces valuable content and I applaud him for that, but this is nonsensical, idealist, individualist drivel from him.

[-] BobDole@hexbear.net 30 points 2 months ago

Greek man mad at Turkish man. News at 11.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 30 points 2 months ago

I like Hasan for being a pipeline and I like bademp for being a poster.

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 46 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I dislike both of them but I fucking HATE bad empanada for acting like the most smartest leftest boy in the room all the time while being nothing more than a streamer just like Hasan. At least Hasan is honest about what he is.

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago

I don't watch either but I think this is the distinction that I see as well, with the addition that I only ever really hear about BE when he's trying to start some clout-chasing fight with somebody else. I guess maybe that's because Hasan doesn't need to chase clout but it's definitely the most lame thing about BE.

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[-] Edamamebean@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I don't even disagree with BE on much (this is one of the things) but I just had to stop watching him because it made me so miserable. I don't think that man has ever had a positive thought, or if he ever has he certainly hasn't ever made it apparent. Just constant rage and hostility. Not to say it's unwarranted, ruthless criticism etc etc, but it does get incredibly exhausting and depressing to watch.

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[-] Sulvor@hexbear.net 28 points 2 months ago

Hasan seems to be one of the most divisive things on this site lol

[-] Cowbee@hexbear.net 46 points 2 months ago

Hasan is generally extremely treat-brained, and he isn't as harsh on liberalism or as supportive of AES as us. The difference in opinion is whether he serves the purpose of radicalizing liberals, or preventing further radicalization.

I'm of the opinion that he generally works more for radicalization than against it.

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 39 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

we can all agree hes cute and that obviously makes up for his flaws, right :thonk:

[-] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago

hasan-ok-dude not really into men but... honestly he's not bad. You got a point there

[-] usa_suxxx@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago

He's just Democracy Now with parasocial characteristics.

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[-] tripartitegraph@hexbear.net 28 points 2 months ago

Kill the streamer in your head

[-] sharkfucker420@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago

I could really go for an empanada rn goddamn

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago

sorry, there are only bad empanadas. you will shit and piss yourself

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[-] pooh@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I've said this before and I'll say it again: He's the Keemstar of leftist twitch/twitter/youtube. He basically latches onto whatever popular topic is being discussed and posts hot takes (which are sometimes good tbf) that are sure to get him views/clicks.

[-] MiraculousMM@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago

Streamers aren't revolutionaries, at their absolute best they can serve as a piece of the pipeline to the left. It's good that Hasan's audience (the majority of whom are basically kids) is being exposed to consistent and principled anti-imperialism. I wish that didn't come with all the baggage of making his millions off of that same audience but I don't think its a net negative considering we live in a society etc etc.

That being said BadEmpanada is a drama-seeking childish weenie who contributes very little that other minor internet celebrities don't already do better and more consistently

[-] footfaults@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Hasan is just following in the footsteps of AOC where he spends some time critiquing Democratic policies but then spends every waking moment trying to get cozy with the Democratic party.

Hasan can't have it both ways where he's an "outsider" that gets kicked out of the Convention for saying some stuff on stream that made the DNC or Donors angry, but then also had spent all that time trying to get into the Convention in the first place so he could stream from the Convention and attract as many Democratic party hogs who wanted to watch the convention via Twitch.

You're either outside the convention, demonstrating against it and explicitly against a genocide, or you're just trying to keep an audience just happy enough by saying that a genocide is bad, while you try and triangulate enough in order to get into the Convention and "network"

It can't be both, and unfortunately BadEmpenada is correct for once about something.

It's also the case that it's one internet personality trying to start shit with a more popular internet personality in order to get clout, but the point still stands.

[-] Walk_On@hexbear.net 43 points 2 months ago

Hasan is just following in the footsteps of AOC

Deeply unserious lol

Like someone on here comparing PSL to trots.

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[-] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 41 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

We won't know what he was going to do with an interview with Obama now, unfortunately, but it would have been very telling.

I have a degree of respect for journalists who curry favour to gain access in order to really press issues and do the actual job of (adversarial) journalism. There's a fine line to walk if you want to do this because it's extremely easy to get blacklisted, especially these days.

I think one good example of being behind enemy lines like this for the sake of journalism is Abby Martin going to Israel to interview average Israelis on the streets to get them to indict themselves via vox pop. It would be uncharitable to denounce Martin for going to Israel and speaking with Israelis given what she went there for and what she achieved.

Whether Hasan had intended a similar angle w/interviewing Obama or any other big figure in the Democratic Crime Syndicate idk but I think there's an argument to be made that simply rubbing shoulders with them does not necessarily mean that you are a Compradorpoints-esque figure.

The other side of the argument is that he was allowing himself to be coopted and he was betraying his principles for cash and clout. This is where a conflict emerges between the more liberal-oriented model of the "objective" or politically-neutral journalist and the person who has an overtly political platform (but I don't really buy into that paradigm personally) however what Hasan was doing was the inverse; rather than starting from the place of journalistic inquiry and becoming politically partisan, he started from the place of political partisanship and was intending to pursue a journalistic endeavour. I think this makes the issue so much more complex because we are going to view his actions as politics-first, even if he is attempting to do something journalism-first, but to stand on ground for your political beliefs only to rescind them to start pursuing journalistic endeavours does give a strong impression of reneging on your politics.

For me I absolutely cannot be fucked trawling through hours of streams in the lead up and the aftermath to glean some insight into what he had planned to do because he just isn't that important to me. So that leaves me feeling cautious about Hasan until I get some good info shedding light on this from a trustworthy source but I personally don't think that this alone is sufficient for me to consider him persona non grata as it stands.

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[-] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 38 points 2 months ago

Hasan is just following in the footsteps of AOC where he spends some time critiquing Democratic policies but then spends every waking moment trying to get cozy with the Democratic party.

AOC supports Kamala for president, Hasan does not. Before Kamala's speech, Hasan said "I'll wait and see" with respect to whether he supports Kamala, but now, he is very vocal about the fact that he does not support Kamala for president.

Or maybe you meant Hasan is following in AOC's footsteps in some other way?

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[-] SapGreen@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago

Locking this post due to continued, excessive hostility.

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