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[–] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 45 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You know all those holocaust and genocide scholars, international law experts and lawyers and human rights organizations calling this a genocide? They're not being analytically precise and are too emotional, never mind the fact that they're experts on the topic

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 28 points 1 month ago

It doesn't even matter what scholars think, looking at israel rhetoric is enough to see intent and satellite photos to see extent, you don't need to be an expert to see thing for what it is

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Says a country is carpet bombing population centers of another country that has been oppressed by the carpet bombers for decades

"Not totally sure this is appropriate to call genocide"

Genocide, noun: the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

I dunno, maybe they're not trying to destroy Palestine or kill Palestinians indiscriminately, they've only been stealing the land for decades and killing them without cause for as long, but surely Israel hasn't stolen THAT much land

See, Palestinians still have SOME places to live

Fucking clown-ass, wanna-be leftists.

[–] Pentacat@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

The siege of Leningrad was genocide. I despise the monopolization of accurate words for political purposes. The people who are scared of “free parking” signs should not be dictating to reasonable people what words mean, but here we are.

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

We can only officially call it a genocide after it's been completed. Otherwise how can we know for sure!

Alternatively we can say that because the US gave its indigenous population reservations to live on that means it's not genocide!

Absolute fucking clowns

[–] Pentacat@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago

People survived the holocaust. Therefore, it was just warfare.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 23 points 1 month ago

The coldly rational take is the same as the "alarmist" take you nazi pieces of shit, multiple legal bodies have declared it a genocide

[–] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago

Israel takes a bunch of land and displaces hundreds of thousands of people during the Nakba.
Continues taking land and displacing people and building settlements for decades after.
Many if not most of these refugees and their descendants end up in Gaza.
Israel proceeds to destroy pretty much everything in Gaza killing hundreds of thousands and making the place close to unlivable for millions.
Palestinians flee en masse.

Even the slightest reading of history shows this is just a continuation of the ethnic cleansing that started in the 40’s.

[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago

Trotskyism - not even once

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago

I'd call them nerd trots but this is an insult to nerdy trots who usually can recognise a genocide without rules lawyering it with "But there's still 13 of them left hiding in a cave on the other side of the world so it's not really a genocide is it?"

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

analytically precise

They mean cop talk.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

yep, euphemistic passive voice is apparently more "analytically precise" while clear and well-defined explicit language is "emotionally charged alarmism"

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The liberal "cool, calm, and collected" fetish is applicable almost everywhere.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago

This comic is always relevant

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago

For fucks sake.

[–] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

And from the point of view of my colon they're not that...no, even then, they are really, really full of shit

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

Literally one of the steps of genocide is denying that it ever happened. So “it’s not genocide” ain’t helping your case.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

never trust the "new left"

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

What happened to the old left motherrucker??big-honk

[–] Owl@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If you need to be a pedantic shit about it, just coin new terms. What Germany did to the Jews was an internal genocide. What Israel is doing to Palestine is a settler colonial genocide. Now we have terminology sufficient to get through a whole miserable book on the subject, and it took a quarter as many words as that spineless equivocating nonsense.

[–] featured@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 month ago

I’d argue that the holocaust was also settler colonial in nature. Germany was stealing the land of its neighbors in order to destroy their culture and people, and replace them with German settlers. The holocaust was the engine of this cultural and demographic erasure and was key to their colonization plans. It operated internally too of course but I thought I’d point that out

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago

most of the deaths of the holocaust weren't in Germany itself but in Poland and other occupied territories

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Seems like there are some other opinions linky to tweet

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

we put out an interview with a Palestine flag on the front, why are you getting mad at me? I'm allowed to say any dumb shit I want now.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

i mean nlr is not exactly bastion of zionism, so it's kinda wild thing to appear there. (they have other dogshit takes as well though). But this is something new

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

having a good take in the past does not make one immune from being wrong in the future, it's an incoherent argument they are making