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[–] supafuzz@hexbear.net 79 points 1 week ago (2 children)

what no theory does to a mf

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 69 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Materially done more than most online MLs tho to be fair

[–] BashfulBob@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago

He's not throwing away his shot

[–] Bidentime@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

The right has done more this year than the left has on decades. The first trump shooter. Arguably the second trump bush guy. And now the adjuster.

Pretty pathetic

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[–] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Subscribing to a grounded theory is banned in Ivy League schools. Prove you are a genius and invent your own theory!

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 65 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Forget the brainworms.

The only thing that matters is working class vs ruling class.

Brainworms can be solved if you can first get people on working class vs ruling class. You have them listening to prole agitators instead of the bourgeoise. The brainworms were injected by the fact they've been listening to the bourgeoise in the first place, once you get them away from that and into a communist sphere of influence you can melt them away.

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree with you completely. It’s clear he gives a shit about the greater good even if his analysis sucks. The latter can be fixed. Well not in this guy’s case — he’s fucked.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah my point is not so much about this guy but how discussion about this guy can be channeled. Not just this guy but the sentiment "shooting CEOs is good actually" is literally everywhere now, which is NEVER going to be something the right supports.

A highly upvoted comment on Ben Shapiro's video condemning the shooting was "if the left supports this call me a leftist then".

All we have to do to actually get people to hear us out is use the right language when they open the door, then fix the brainworms once they're actually listening to us. The biggest barrier is getting them to listen in the first place.

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago

Gotta strike while the irons hot. People are temporarily amenable to radical action, so they will be more willing to listen to ideas they normally tune out

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[–] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 51 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This is from 2022 though. NY Post was claiming he was posting anti-capitalist and Ted Kazinsky shit somewhere. I haven't seen it. His twitter stops 2022 and I suspect that's around when his relative got fucked by United. I suspect he becomes a theoryless anticapitalist or anarchist.

It should always be assumed that lone wolf assassins have some wild highly individualistic personal theories if any.

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 35 points 1 week ago

He reviewed Kaczynski’s book on Goodreads apparently

[–] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 29 points 1 week ago

Americans (and most people really) are gonna have incoherent politics without clear ideology.

[–] Des@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

he was still retweeting up until June (i think NY post is just lying)

[–] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago

Bah I was confused by the pinned tweet. Yeah he's an Ivy League tech bro through and through.

[–] Bloobish@hexbear.net 50 points 1 week ago (1 children)

dead-dove-1 dead-dove-2 dead-dove-3 once again a shooter turns out to be a worm brained individualistic libertarian freak

[–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 47 points 1 week ago (1 children)

While tragic, him being a right winger doesn't un-shoot the ceo

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 42 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] SuperZutsuki@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

i mean, yeah, you can neuter anyone with balls

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[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 37 points 1 week ago (5 children)

That doesn't make any sense. The crux of right wing ideology is that profit is the highest virtue, and if someone can't afford the commodified necessities of life this results in, then they don't deserve to live. Why would they kill one of their heroes?

[–] Des@hexbear.net 31 points 1 week ago

he loves tech CEOs maybe it's just a turf thing.

Its really easy to worship the boot when you're the one doing the stomping. Whole lot harder when you're under it.

[–] ChaosMaterialist@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I'm no conspiracy theorist, and I don't have any other corroborating evidence, but his banner has an x-ray. I'm wondering if our guy got himself into serious medical debt with a denied claim, read the :deny-defend-depose: book and went from there?

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[–] machiabelly@hexbear.net 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This is going to further entrench the, concerningly common, idea that the right wing is currently more anti-establishment than the left.

[–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I don't think he's an ideologically committed right winger tho, he just has a confused ideology because he's the perfect target demographic for the algorithm to serve right wing shit to. His twitter feed is pretty much what I'd expect from an average techbro college student.

[–] AnneVolin@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

he just has a confused ideology

There's is an entire ideology for techbros that exists as an outgrowth of Deluze/Guattari, Lyotard and Mark Fisher which often mixes with the Kazinsky/Linkola/Hardin set at the "green" edges. It's modern advocates are the Curtis Yarvin, Nick Land, and Hoppe. They literally name their magazines shit like Thermidor Magazine, their ideological views are based on similar history that Marxism is. In fact many of them have read Marx and agree with various observations historical, ideological, and sociological, but not the prescriptions.

It's not "confused", it simply has the following premises:

  1. History does not trend toward progress
  2. People are not are equal
  3. The over class (often based on some kind of "philosopher king" or "titan of industry" vague qualification, but at their most honest are often explicitly racist) deserve the "fire of Prometheus" (technology, capital, power) because only they can wield it responsibly.
  4. The under class do not deserve the "fire of Prometheus" because they cannot form a stable society (insert more racism/bullshit here)
  5. By accelerating the contradictions they see in society, they can force a cataclysm that consolidates and binds the underclass and reinvigorates the over class.

It's a messianic reskinning of capitalist boom and bust cycles. They aren't confused. They know what they're saying. They simply cannot close their eyes to the types of observations that they've heard from leftists that resonate with them, they simply decide on different causes and different rectifications.

You're not gonna fight this on "leftist" ground simply because some of them also hate healthcare. They'll agree with your arguments on healthcare and ignore you for the rest.

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[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It’s more of a symptom that the left does not exist in America, so that disenfranchised people turn to the populist right which then funnels away all the radical energy.

What has the left, if there exists such a movement, done to advance healthcare rights during a global pandemic over the last few years, an opportunity handed to them on a platter? The answer is none, if anything they completely folded to the establishment narrative. So there shouldn’t be any surprise why the left keeps losing ground in America.

[–] IAmHisBiggestSpoon@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

God damn it. They're going to find a post about lobsters next and my boner is going to turn into an innie so fast.

[–] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There's some posts about how he thinks Peterson is boring and deliberately convoluting.

[–] IAmHisBiggestSpoon@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 1 week ago

🙏 Small miracles 🙏

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[–] ComradeMonotreme@hexbear.net 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

He did seem to drop off the radar, cut contact with friends and family for 6 months.

So while he probably does have incoherent and reactionary beliefs. Judging his motives from old posts may not accurate.

He could have turned into the correct kind of communist or gone fully fash or something way weirder in that time.

Wonder what his manifesto says.

[–] Des@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago (3 children)

i think if it's trash we'll see it. if it's based we won't

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[–] SoloboiNanook@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago

Ngl i don't really care lol he still did the damn thang

[–] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago

You guys are so easy to fool. All the Adjuster had to do was find this schmuck who looked vaguely like him and dump all his evidence on him and then boom, the patsy gets picked up and the Adjuster gets off scot free! Hell, he probably called in the tip himself!

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Is it even confirmed to be him tho

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The news said he had the fake ID on him that he used to check into the hostel

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[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I believe Eric Adams announced it in a press briefing about 30 mins ago

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They have to be lying, they had nothing for days

[–] BashfulBob@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

According to the police, the guy had an orgy of evidence on him. Ghost gun and silencer, anti-insurance manifesto, false ID matching what was used at the hostel.

If its not him, its one hell of a coincidence. Dude was doing so well and then he simply forgot to stay low an extra few days.

[–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ngl I truly doubt he had that evidence on them. I think the cops had that evidence on them, picked up this guy and went “Wow look at all this evidence he happened to have on his person at a McDonald’s!”

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[–] Verenata@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

He's already had his folk hero status revoked ban-hammer

[–] AnneVolin@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (27 children)

Hexbear is going to be really funny for the next couple of weeks as the inevitable struggle session is going to be lit.

It's so fucking funny that eveyrone on this site would essentially dog pile this dude's tweets if they were posted here without a source, and anyone defending them would be insta-banned for "defending fascism". Ironically instead of contending with the messiness of the world in terms of how to fix it, Hexbear will now contend with the messiness of the world in terms of it's vibes and aesthetics.

It also shows how many of y'all actually read theory. I didn't start reading his tweets until they were posted individually, and I was like "oh he's a Yarvin guy" immediately. It's super funny that this site is so concerned with sea-lioning literally falls for one of the biggest "we gotta kill em all because only we truly care" type sea-lioning arguments from the people on the right most deserving of a wedgie for rubbing their two brain cells together. (Yes there are people more pathetic than Ben Shapiro out there, at least Ben Shapiro secures the bag)

Y'all gonna become fascists simply by watching S. Craig Zahler movies. Such incredible and cowardly ideological weakness from those mostly concerned with aesthetic presentations of ideology and it makes them no better than libs.

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