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Liberals have more contempt for minorities who don't support Biden than they do for white people that vote for Trump.
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Well of course. Lib politics is very 
Libs have this worldview that there are certain people that are obligated to vote blue no matter who. Rural white men, not on that list, they don’t care. Minorities, women, LGBT, immigrants, some sections of the working class, those they see as owing their votes to the dem machine. And oh boy do they get pissed if they are not given what is owed. The only voters democrats think they need to earn are rich, suburban, bloombergian centrists that mostly don’t exist, and the few that do already live in deep blue states.
Like, Republicans are fucked up in a million ways, but at least when their candidate loses they generally respond with “okay we need to turn shit around to get our base out next time.” (Trump is the exception, but he’s the exception on everything). Democrats blame their base, never the candidate’s fault, which is why they keep betting the house on losers instead of recognizing when a candidate isn’t selling.
I think you are giving the Republicans too much credit here. It's not that they actually care what their base wants, it's that their bases desires line up with capital, so there is no cost to giving it to them.
Frequently the Republican base calls for things I don't think capital cares about. Like I remember 15 years ago when republican office holders would get grilled about young earth creationism and would have to say they believe in it, regardless if they actually cared, since that's what their base wanted to hear.
I think a better way of saying it is that Republicans have more leeway to do theater for their base, to say the same bigoted things, because those bigoted demands don't necessarily conflict with capital. Whereas Democrats have to do the opposite kind of theater, making claims of progressivism and solidarity with poor people, but then not act upon it because that would be in conflict with capital.
The lib version of us having more contempt for libs than chuds because libs are supposed to know better.
I mean,we got plenty of contempt for chuds. We just don't bother to post about them because most people here avoid interacting with them in all cases anyway.
It's so obnoxious because it's clearly libs trying to work out their family issues. They want bigoted white people to like them because they have to believe the people in their lives aren't bad people.
where do you come from
where do you go
I'll never vote for Genocide Joe
Genocide Joe, truly The Darkest Brandon
Not only must you vote, but you must vote exactly the way I tell you to or everything that happens is your fault. This is the democracy i feel is under existential threat and must be protected.
This is the democracy i feel is under existential threat and just be protected.
That is the part that gets me. If you truely feel that you are one election away from the end of democracy, then how is your system worth defending? Its already over
The US is a one party democracy: if the other guys win, then it's not a democratic outcome.
The US is a one party system but in a classic display of western decadence we have two of them
used to be believable
"You're either with us or you're with the terrorists"
Oh! Oh! Oh! I know this one!
I'm with the terrorists!
Idk about Hitler Particles, but this is the legacy of Perot and ~~Greenspan~~ Nader (got Greenspan crossed with Green Party, cause I've got 90s-era brain worms). Third parties are no longer the escape value for "legitimate" dissent. They have become the scapegoat for a failing electoral system.
"Oh, you think both candidates suck? Well then your support defaults to the candidate I don't like!"
The only response I give this is to wave my hand at the EC and say "My vote doesn't count anyway, so why bother casting it at all?"
Anytime theres a thread about a group organizing to withhold support from Biden unless they recieve support/concessions the 
evangelists come out of the woodwork
As if 
was worth defending. The wall literally got ten feet taller, Jack 
i make the theory, beautiful theory. Many people are saying, its the best theory
And i do the praxis, Jack 
I fucking hate that shit, I got told constantly last election that me not voting was the same as voting for trump. Like what the fuck do I owe the democrats my vote?! if I don't give it to them I'm cheating them out of something they're entitled too? The last time I voted was for Bernie in the primaries and I have no intention of voting in anything but local elections again. Voter participation is one of the ways the legitimacy of a government is recognized and I have no intention of adding any legitimacy to the US oligarchy.
yeonmi park in the us they pretend to be a multi parties system but then they tell you to vote for the only one correct party and if you dont you are a mean poopoo traitor that hate democracy and basically a fascist.
I always thought having Lib parents would be marginally better than having the chud ones that I have, but my partners date is a VOOT liberal and I’m not so sure now
This seems fitting given that all Bernie managed to do was to sheepdog the left into voting for the Democratic nominee.
This motherfucker... I never knew someone could make me hate them far more than any of the other politicians but he accepted that challenge and blew it out of the water. He showed Obama how to truly destroy hope.
We all carry the original sin of being trump voters
You know when I saw your username at the top I thought someone was saying you had Hitler particles and my heart dropped 
These motherfuckers are all concerned about the flow of donor money until you point out all the monsters donating to people like Biden then it's "That just proves he appeals to the little man and the wealthy!"
Biden is approaching GWB levels of evil right now so I don't know if they can successfully argue that he's the lesser evil for much longer.
But it's a default vote for Trump just as much as it is a default vote for Biden... which is to say it's not at all.
I will stipulate that these are two separate and distinct types of act:
- walking into a voting booth and casting a ballot for Donald Trump
- not walking into a voting booth at all, or voting for a third party candidate (neither Trump nor Biden)
But it must be acknowledged that all of those acts make it more likely that Trump will be elected President than Biden.
This is the paradox along the lines of "if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
I believe that reasonable people could conclude that "doing things that make it more likely Trump will be elected President" could reasonably be called "just like voting for Trump" even if no ballot FOR Trump is cast.
If that’s the case, donating any amount of money has a significantly greater effect on electoral outcomes than a single vote. By withholding “your” money that would otherwise increase the likelihood of a Biden win, it becomes more likely that Trump wins.
Therefore, every dollar you fail to give to the Biden campaign makes you personally responsible for increasing the likelihood of a Trump presidency far more than you personally voting for Trump does.
If I vote for Trump and give Biden $100k, I’ve increased Biden’s electoral chances more than someone that just voted for Biden and gave nothing. If you voted for Biden and haven’t given him $100k, you’ve actually deprived him of far more potential net electoral power than I could give to Trump with a single 3rd party vote.
This is true, every lib who doesn't take a vow of poverty and donate everything to the party is a monstrous hypocrite helping Trump win
Is poverty really an excuse? With Democracy on the line, is the time you spend sleeping each night really worth taking the money that time could earn away from Trump's only valid competitor?
Oh fuck you’re right. No-sleep November, only thoughts and prayers. Gotta put in the work for this Biden bread 
I can hear the exact same thing from every party, therefore I'm voting for every candidate at once and committing voter fraud.
the person this was about was trying to organise a bloc of arab american voters in swing states were their support was crucial to biden winning in 2020 to threaten to withhold their votes if biden didnt stop sending Israel 14 billion dollars a year to carry out ethnic cleansing against palestinians and being their most steadfast supporter in the world, if biden goes ahead anyway and loses the election because of it its entirely on him.
we always hear this argument that the voter base of the democrats has to continually compromise more and more with the right until there's almost nothing left for them but never that the democrats need to compromise with the voters, if Biden was willing to stop supporting zionist fascism abroad the democrats would instantly win a very loyal voter bloc of arab americans, but if he doesnt then he'll almost certainly lose the next election, at this point the crux of the matter is how committed Biden is to supporting fascism to further american interests abroad that he's willing to let the openly fascist president return at home too, or whether he'd rather not throw away the election to support a war criminal who's killed 50% more children in just 3 weeks than putin has killed in 2 years in ukraine.
This for real! If the us is such a champion of democracy, why is it the voters who have to compromise with the politicians and not the other fucking way around? THEY are the damn civil servants -supposedly- not you.
But then again, everyone on grad know that is just a facade and that the us for all it's posturing about "liberal democracy", "separation of power", "multy parties system" and others pseudo-democratic liberal brainrot, completely fail to answer to the will of the peoples no matter who is elected, which is why we mostly dont bother with voting.
You need to view things on a systemic level instead of personal participation in isolated events. If all the people who want good things will unconditionally support lesser-evilism, why would the Democrats ever give them concessions? Why would they do anything other than what they have been doing, pandering to moderates and conservatives, while the people who have some idea of what good policy would be get browbeaten into supporting them anyway?
Perhaps Trump does get elected because of this, but then that is the Democrats choosing letting Trump win over even a somewhat moderate position on Palestine, or healthcare, or whatever. What better case could you make to the people that there needs to be a new major party if not that? What better case could you make even to the fucking Dems that concessions are necessary if not that?
If you step back, it becomes obvious to the point of truism that the strategy you endorse is precisely why it's always a matter of the "lesser evil" and never a matter of any real "good".
Vote for an lesser evil and you get evil and less.
Or alternatively, now you have two evils and you just made one of them stronger.
Do you believe that genocide is acceptable?
I live in NY, my state is guaranteed to go blue no matter who I vote for but even if my vote decided the whole election I still couldn't vote for Genocide Joe
if my vote decided the whole election
If you voted knowing full and well it would decide the election, cause chaos and vote for Kim Jong Un
Have you donated everything you have to Biden's campaign? Have you helped canvas for Biden? Spending your time and money on yourself instead of on Biden's campaign made it more orders of magnitude likely Trump will be elected President than any one person's vote
I will stipulate that these are two separate and distinct types of act:
reasonable people could conclude that "doing things that make it more likely Trump will be elected President" could reasonably be called "just like voting for Trump"
If they're separate and different, no, you cannot reasonably say one is just like the other.
all of those acts make it more likely that Trump will be elected President than Biden
If you stuck with this you'd have a better point, but still not a good one. You didn't donate every cent you have to Biden, right? Well that made it more likely that Trump will be elected, too. If you think supporting Biden really moves the needle maybe you can be criticized for not doing more, but it would be ridiculous to say not donating your life savings to Biden = voting for Trump.
And of course Biden doesn't actually move the needle much, if at all.
Democrats don't seem very concerned Trump will win.
If this is so important why are they running such an unpopular, compromised, and frankly senile candidate? Why do they not only reject but actively and vehemently oppose political causes that have overwhelming majorities of support amongst the public? Why do they deliberately disenfranchise potential voters with undemocratic removal of voting rights from prisoners and by blocking paths to citizenship for immigrants and refugees? Why do they carry out voter suppression and make it difficult more difficult fornordinary people to easily vote? Why do they alienate their own party members and voters in favour of geriatric party bureaucrats, billionaire donors, and for profit mercenary consultants? Why is the go to tactic to scold, browbeat, and smear the public?
Seems to me that not doing/reversing those things make it more likely that millions of people will not vote for them, thus increasing the likelihood of Trump being elected. Why are the Democrats doing something that's 'just like giving millions of votes to Trump'?
oppa gangnam style
how come they can't follow the same reasoning and realize that not voting or voting 3rd party is also like voting for their candidate as well? Why does that logic just drop off the cliff before making that final turn to reach the finish line?
where did ya come from, where did ya go, I'll never vote for genocide Joe
Death to America
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