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[-] edge@hexbear.net 71 points 11 months ago

Reminder that "Stockholm syndrome" was invented because the police fucked up a hostage situation so badly that the hostages felt unsafe with the police and had to negotiate their own release with their captors who were behaving more rationally than the police.

idk what to call this, but it's much worse than the event Stockholm syndrome is named for.

[-] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago

Malcolm X had a few choice terms for this shit

[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 51 points 11 months ago

This is good advice though. I will use my vote for others and I will use it wisely. By not voting for supporters of genocide I will show the entire world that I personally don't support genocide. This is the most important election of our time, make sure you tell the whole world that you oppose genocide by not voting for candidates that support genocide

[-] Monk3brain3@hexbear.net 50 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Like I'm sorry but this has nuggets of comedy gold in it. Parts of it totally have the skeleton of a funny copypasta that I could totally see some witty member of a site like this (not me lol) writing this as a meme.

Like "Dems put my family in a concentration camp. But I voted dem. They ignored my human rights as a LGBTQ person. But I voted Dem"

This is some cuck shit lol.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 11 months ago

He also forgot "rise of antiasian hate" in the last few years which dems pump up steadily.

[-] Monk3brain3@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

He's Japanese right, so add nuking his ancestral home to the list. Honestly it's so fucking absurd I could cry

[-] copandballtorture@hexbear.net 44 points 11 months ago

Everybody pretending like they live in a swing state. A handful of states and about 10% of the population are going to determine the president while the 90% of us scream into the void

[-] Aryuproudomenowdaddy@hexbear.net 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I had some redditor with serious voter brainworms tell me last cycle I had to vote for Biden despite living in a Dem stronghold because it would somehow make it harder for Trump to rig the election? Like if the election is rigged I'm just gonna vote for La Riva so I can sleep at night, thanks.

[-] edge@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

because it would somehow make it harder for Trump to rig the election

I think the logic there is "look at how many more votes Biden got, he clearly won" as if the nationwide vote count means literally anything.

[-] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

you remember how they said Hillary won the popular vote and Trump apologised and made her president

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

And i also remember when Al Gore became president and didn't invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. Or maybe it was Kerry and continuation of both wars. Seriously USA politics is so interchangeable and repeatable that names and dates blurs as fuck.

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago

Lol they don’t determine shit. 270 guys will determine the president, and they don’t even have to vote for their own party’s nominee.

[-] Flyberius@hexbear.net 41 points 11 months ago

Jesus titty-fucking Christ, 140 characters was such a good idea.

[-] lil_tank@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 11 months ago

If I were a billionaire I'd buy Twitter and make it 2 characters, so we can all collectively heal

[-] SerLava@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago
[-] Judge_Jury@hexbear.net 39 points 11 months ago

It means working from within the Democratic party to make it better, even when it has betrayed its values.

What values?

I fought for redress for my community and have spent my life ensuring that America understood that we could not betray our Constitution in such a way ever again.

Constitution? That shit was talking about white men only and we're really gonna lean on it?

[-] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 11 months ago

fr Americans talk about their constitution like it's a holy text, it's embarrassing. If they're gonna worship it to that standard then how about updating it? Or writing a new one that's good?

[-] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago

it's not even a good constitution it's clearly written in a half assed way because they didn't expect the country to last very long

[-] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 11 months ago

Seriously. It's been centuries, why can't we just fuckin write a new one already? We can start by outlawing slavery

[-] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago

I genuinely think most American problems come from the fact the US constitution is stupid

like how most British political problems come from the public school system (schools rich people pay money to go to) and people with politics degrees being in politics. If Britain wanted to get back to being run by people capable of operating our political system we would replace every labour MP with a trade union official and every tory MP with someone currently in prison for racketeering

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago

Because it’s a holy text. Just like the Bible can’t really be “updated” anymore because it’s been “completed” by scribes thousands of years ago. The constitution is complete. There is nothing more you can do to it, lest you dare blaspheme against Our Founding Fathers

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It means working from within the Democratic party to make it better, even when it has betrayed its values.

Because liberals like using interpersonal violence in their metaphors for politics, how is this any different than staying in an abusive relationship because you think you can fix your partner? Like yeah, maybe you make some progress; maybe you might even have periods where you love each other, but after the 500th black eye, you might want to reconsider the relationship.

[-] penquin@lemm.ee 37 points 11 months ago

Stockholm Syndrome is the perfect description for this. Try to state that you won't vote for Biden this year and see the bullying you're going to get. I will vote, but not for democracts or Republicans. I'm sick of being fucked over all the time, and this "the lesser of two evils" bullshit. They can both eat a bag of dicks.

[-] Scew@hexbear.net 23 points 11 months ago

why have a decent candidate when you can just activate your brainwashed masses to bully their friends and family over social media?

[-] penquin@lemm.ee 16 points 11 months ago

That's exactly what the fuck it is. Polarization is what they love. People called me all kinds of names and tried to make me feel guilty and that I'll be the cause of the doom of this country if I didn't vote for Biden.

[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 31 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The latest Hell of Presidents honestly did a great job of describing this same phenomenon, going from Lincoln to Arthur.

You had a guy who was constrained by the demands of the political moment (Free Real Estate) who managed to leverage that demand into genuine revolutionary change. And he was empowered by a groundswell of ideological supporters, zealous converts, and economic interests who simply clocked where the wind was blowing. But then the machinery of politics took over the show, the ideologues were jettisoned in favor of compromises, and the only thing political leadership cared about was the consolidation of additional powers.

Takei is a Native American living under the Garfield administration and staunchly asserting the need for strong abolitionist Republicans, when the party has long since abandoned abolition in favor of professionalizing the administrative state. He's been subjected to a litany of abuses under his own guys, but all he can see is the Bloody Shirt of prior opposition groups. And he's fucking old. All he can care about is the next administration, because at 86 years old he simply isn't going to be around to see what 2028 or 2032 or 2040 has in store.

[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 30 points 11 months ago

Real Charles Taylor hours.

"He killed my ma, he killed my pa, but I will vote for him."

[-] dumpster_dove@hexbear.net 29 points 11 months ago

If you can't stand them at their worst, you don't deserve them at their best!

[-] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago

"Excuse me Joe, but your worst is genocide and your best is occasional wavering support for minimal workers rights while keeping the povicidal status quo."

"DOG FACED PONY SOLDIER!!1!"

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 11 months ago

This reads like satire, I almost want to believe George Takei has been doing a bit for the past decade or so and is about to pull a massive "gotcha"

Imagine laying out all the times the democrats explicitly went against the people, against civil rights, against human rights, and then insisting that they must be voted for for "democracy."

[-] huf@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago

imagine thinking that the values of the democratic party are somehow magically different from the actions of the democratic party...

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 11 months ago

Liberals love talking about values and morals, hate talking about actions and results.

[-] Crowtee_Robot@hexbear.net 15 points 11 months ago

A whipped dog won't bite its master.

[-] LanyrdSkynrd@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago

I really thought this was going to end up like W.E.B. Debois's "Why I won't vote".

Stupid post. Basically, "Democrats have done nothing for me, but I'll keep voting for them."

[-] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago

The Democrat party's values are taking bribes and cynical pork barrel politics.

Or Andrew Jackson who was basically an 18th century crypto bro

[-] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

I'll bite. Let's say you 100% agree with this argument.

You can use this argument to make the case for Trump. This blade cuts both ways.

[-] LeZero@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago

But being a liberal, being a progressive

Also being rich and have aligned material interests

[-] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 4 points 11 months ago

Either we choose imperfect progress, or we default back into stagnanation and rotting.

It’s a pretty simple choice in my book

[-] EnsignRedshirt@hexbear.net 55 points 11 months ago

Indeed. It’s not perfect, but refusing to participate in a stagnating system by not voting is the only reasonable path forward. The alternative is endorsing the rot.

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 47 points 11 months ago

What's the concrete example of imperfect progress we have to choose from right now?

[-] MattsAlt@hexbear.net 23 points 11 months ago

Slowly or quickly progressing towards disaster!

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[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 44 points 11 months ago

Can you provide 3 concrete examples of systemic progress the current administration has accomplished?

[-] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 42 points 11 months ago

Progress would be so cool

[-] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 11 months ago

Joedolf Bidler isn't progress.

[-] Zrc@hexbear.net 25 points 11 months ago
[-] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

now you see why revolution, even with all its inherent messiness and chaos, is inevitable and necessary comrade.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 11 months ago

I agree, this is why we should throw out this whole stagnating and rotting system that is only getting worse over time and replace it with something better for the people.

[-] ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

What progress? Wtf progressed during Biden's current presidency? He let Roe v wade be overturned without doing anything about it(unless you consider that crying about it on TV and social media count as "doing something about it"), he let affirmative action be overturned, he continue funding the fucking Trump wall for fuck's sake, there hasn't been any progress under Biden, not even "imperfect" progress as you put it, America IS already stagnating and rotting RIGHT NOW, under Biden.

The Democrat party IS the party of stagnation, since decades now, we have been in a loop of, the Republican get elected, take away some minority rights, the Democrat get elected, don't do anything to revert what the Republican have done, do some performative impotent bullshit instead to calm popular anger caused by the Republican's actions and their inaction, once the outrage has died down the Republican get elected again, take away some more minority right, rince and repeat. They yell loud and clear that they support LGBTQ+ peoples but where were they when LGBTQ+ peoples volunteered by the hundreds to come open carry in front of drag shows to protect attendees and performers from violent far right wreckers? What did they do about the multiples shootings at LGBTQ+ places apart from talking about it on TV and social media? What did they do when literal swastika wearing neo-nazis (the blood tribe) demonstrated in Orlando just 2 hours south of the spot where an other open neo-nazi killed 3 black peoples? In fact, what are they doing about ANY of the openly neo-nazi and openly fascist groups that have openly demonstrated, rallied and displayed their murderous personality cult of an ideology in the streets? NOTHING, that's the answer to all of these questions, they did nothing about any of it, they cried crocodile tears for a little while on TV and social media and did nothing. They are willingly letting the right get away with all of this.

All of the "support" the Democrats give to minorities is PR, they are absolutely full of shit when they say they care about LGBTQ+ peoples, of about any minority for that matter, they will do some performative bullshit there, give some crumbs here, so that peoples who do care vote for them, but as soon as the Republicans start pushing seriously they instantly fold even when THEY are at the helm (again, they let roe v wade and affirmative action get overturned despite Biden, a Democrat, being president at the time) and let the right get what they want, but radlibs will forgive them for that under the guise of "Oh, ThEy WErE oUtVoTeD iT cAn'T bE hElPeD, iT wAsN't ThEiR fAuLt." as if there was nothing they could they done even if that was true, or whatever other bullshit excuse they will come up with.

And Biden's curent term has easily been the worst instance of the Democrats being useful idiots for the right like that. Yet here you all are even after 4 years of this bullshit still telling us that electing the Democrats again will somehow stop the Republicans. That you still cant accept that the Democrats are nothing more than controlled opposition, ok, fair enough, they are pretty good at pretending what they're doing is totally definitely not helping the right, but that you still don't even begin to doubt their ability and/or willingness to protect minorities from the right after 4 years of the most blatant instance of them not doing anything to protect minorities from the right, that is beyond me.

Why are you so blindly confident in Biden and the Democrats in general? Why can't any of you even seem to fathom the possibility of actually taking action with their own damn hands instead of waiting 4 years to vote for MhU LEsSeR eViL and expecting the party who's laterally supporting genocide to somehow give a shit about trans peoples or whoever else and solve the societal problems you care about for you without you having to do anything? What did YOU do to help the minorities you hope the Dems will protect? Did you even do anything beside putting a flag in your social media bio, maybe donating to an org and maybe just MAYBE attending 1 or 2 peaceful protest?

If you truly want to stop what the right is doing, stop relying on the fucking Democrats and start taking action, if there is an organisation fighting for minority rights in your area, join it, if there isn't gather some peoples and crate one, if your state pass a law that allow the police to harass LGBTQ+ folks or whoever else, start monitoring them, film as many of their actions as you can, sabotage any discriminatory operation they might be performing, get ressources to impeach their ability to perform such action, jam their communications, block roads, maybe buy and learn how to use a firearm just in case, learn how to make smoke bombs, whatever as long as it's effective, if you see far right-wingers demonstrating in public places, kick them out of there, work to make your city as unfriendly and unwelcoming to the right as possible, if there is an antifa branch where you are, join it, maybe join those peoples who open cary in front of drag show to protect them from right wingers I mentioned earlier too, protest too of course, but forget peaceful protests, not only that wont do anything but you'd just get crushed without mercy, you need to scare shitless whoever is in charge about what might happen to them if they don't give at least some concessions, that's how you secure rights for minorities, that's how ALL successful minorities rights movement has done it.

TL;DR: stop simping for impotent grifters like the democrats and start taking actual actions.

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

Stockholm syndrome is a made up concept invented by Swedish cops to explain how they could bungle a hostage negotiation so badly that the hostages thought the criminals were more rational

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