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Obama and top level dems are spooked by how unserious Biden is in regards to a Trump victory.

Former president Barack Obama has raised questions about the structure of President Biden’s reelection campaign, discussing the matter directly with Biden and telling the president’s aides and allies the campaign needs to be empowered to make decisions without clearing them with the White House, according to three people familiar with the conversations.

Obama grew “animated” in discussing the 2024 election and former president Donald Trump’s potential return to power, one of the people said, and has suggested to Biden’s advisers that the campaign needs more top-level decision-makers at its headquarters in Wilmington, Del. — or it must empower the people already in place. Obama has not recommended specific individuals, but he has mentioned David Plouffe, who managed Obama’s 2008 race, as the type of senior strategist needed at the Biden campaign.

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Obama’s conversation with Biden on the subject took place during a private lunch at the White House in recent months, one of the people said, a meeting that has not been previously reported. Biden, who has long used Obama as a sounding board, invited his former boss to lunch, and the two discussed a range of topics including the 2024 election.

During the lunch, Obama noted the success of his reelection campaign structure in 2012, when some of his top presidential aides, including David Axelrod and Jim Messina, left the White House to take charge of the reelection operation in Chicago. That is a sharp contrast from Biden’s approach of leaving his closest aides at the White House even though they are involved in all the key decisions made by the campaign.

Obama also recommended that Biden seek counsel from Obama’s own former campaign aides, which Biden officials say they have done, the people said. Obama has been even more explicit with people close to Biden, suggesting the campaign needs to move aggressively as Trump appears poised to quickly wrap up the Republican nomination. His concerns about the campaign structure were not tied to a specific moment, but rather his belief that campaigns need to be agile in competitive races, the people said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss confidential conversations.

Spokespeople for Obama and the White House declined to comment.

Obama has long harbored worries about Trump’s political strength, telling Biden during a different private lunch last summer that Trump is a more formidable candidate than many Democrats realize. He cited Trump’s intensely loyal following, a Trump-friendly conservative media ecosystem and a polarized country as advantages for the former president in 2024.

Obama, who commands enormous loyalty and star power in the Democratic Party, is not alone in worrying about Biden’s weak poll numbers and his unorthodox bifurcated campaign structure.

Julie Chavez Rodriguez, Biden’s campaign manager, is based at the campaign headquarters in Biden’s hometown of Wilmington, while the president’s top political advisers — Anita Dunn, Jen O’Malley Dillon, Mike Donilon and Steve Ricchetti — work more than 100 miles away at the White House. That means any important move by the campaign is run by the White House first, prompting concern among some Democrats as they head into a turbulent contest that is likely to require immediate responses to fast-moving developments.

Axelrod said Friday he could not speak to Obama’s discussions with Biden, but that each president approaches his reelection differently, and Biden’s campaign structure may yet evolve. “Jim and I started building the structure in Chicago in the spring of ’11. President Biden has chosen to keep many of his key political advisers in the White House,” Axelrod wrote in a text message. “But by necessity, I would expect several of them will move fairly soon to the campaign itself.”

But some Democrats running on the ticket with Biden are worried. Rep. Elissa Slotkin (D-Mich.), who is running for her state’s open Senate seat, has expressed concern to allies that she may not be able to win if Biden is at the top of the ticket, according to people familiar with the conversations. A spokesman for Slotkin’s campaign said she “looks forward to running with President Biden.”

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Outside of urging structural changes, Obama’s sense of urgency about the upcoming presidential race has been reflected in his push to raise money for Biden’s effort. He has helped the Biden campaign raise $4 million in small-dollar donations, including $2.6 million through a “Meet the Presidents” contest where donors have the chance to meet Obama and Biden, Biden campaign officials said.

In a statement this summer, Eric Schultz, a senior adviser to Obama, said the former president “looks forward to supporting Democrats up and down the ballot next fall, and no race has bigger stakes than President Biden’s reelection.”

“We place a huge emphasis on finding creative ways to reach new audiences, especially tools that can be directly tied to voter mobilization or volunteer activations,” Schultz said. “We are deliberate in picking our moments because our objective is to move the needle.”

On Thursday, the Biden campaign released a new fundraising video featuring the two leaders. “We need your help to ensure Joe’s leadership continues to guide us forward,” Obama says in the video. “We know the other side won’t rest, so we can’t either.” The relationship between Obama and the man who served as his vice president for eight years is a complex one. The two men developed a strong working relationship and their families bonded well, but aides to both men say the “bromance” depicted in some pop culture accounts was always an exaggeration. These days, Biden and Obama check in with each other periodically, and Obama remains close to many of his former staffers who now work in the White House.

Some Biden allies who have heard about Obama’s musings on their campaign structure are dismissive, still feeling burned by Obama’s decision to support Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential election instead of Biden.

The mention of Plouffe in particular irritates some longtime Biden aides, because it was Plouffe whom Obama dispatched to warn Biden that he faced long odds if he decided to seek the presidency in 2016. “The president was not encouraging,” Biden wrote in his memoir, “Promise Me, Dad.”

The Biden aides note bitingly that Clinton, despite Obama’s support, lost to Trump in 2016, a defeat that remains traumatizing for many Democrats. Plouffe declined to comment but has told friends he is retired from active campaign work.

But even Biden is frustrated by his public standing, frequently complaining about his low poll numbers in private conversations with aides. In one meeting shortly before Thanksgiving, he demanded to know what his team and his campaign staff were doing about it. The low approval ratings have persisted despite a humming economy, as the country added 216,000 jobs in December.

Just before year’s end, Biden’s rating tied his record low, with 38 percent approving his performance and 58 percent disapproving, according to a Washington Post average of 17 polls in November and December. Voters, including a majority of Democrats, say they are particularly concerned about Biden’s age and consistently rank it as a bigger problem for the president, 81, than for Trump, 77.

Democrats are also concerned about Biden losing support among younger voters and communities of color because of his handling of the Israel-Gaza war. In December, a New York Times-Siena College poll found that 57 percent of voters disapproved of his handling of the conflict, while 33 percent approved.

Biden’s aides, however, say that if Trump becomes the Republican nominee as analysts on both sides expect, a clear majority of voters will find Biden preferable, given Trump’s chaotic style and anti-democratic tendencies. And in the Times-Siena poll, while all registered voters supported Trump over Biden, those likely to vote favored Biden.

On Friday, Biden held his first major official campaign event, traveling to Valley Forge, Pa., to give a speech blasting Trump as a threat to democracy on the eve of the anniversary of the attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Biden launched his reelection campaign in April, but to date his political activity has largely been confined to fundraisers and a few appearances at political rallies hosted by outside groups.

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[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 68 points 10 months ago

Lol, so I could only make it through half the article before I bailed, but at any point did anyone mention that Biden should govern differently? jokerfication

[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 49 points 10 months ago

Dumbass Joe Biden is said to be asking his campaign staffers what they’re going to do to raise his poll numbers 🙄

[-] davel@hexbear.net 34 points 10 months ago

Elections and governing are orthogonal.

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 22 points 10 months ago

Great, now I've gotta take PoliMath next semester.

[-] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 24 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Oh of course not. I can't remember the last time i read a msm political article that mentioned anything other than optics or how to appeal to the public better instead of really addressing policy. It seems both the politicians and the people covering politics have forgotten that there is supposed to be actually policies and governance after the campaigns done. Shit i am serious. I honestly don't know how i would respond if i saw one now.

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 16 points 10 months ago

Oh, I know. I feel ya. marx-doomer

I'm sure it's been going on longer, but I started to notice it during the first Bernie run, when people kept getting offended by the idea of supporting policies over vibes.

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[-] SerLava@hexbear.net 57 points 10 months ago

Wow ok. This kind of stuff doesn't just "leak" especially a former president talking to a current president. This sort of thing is intentionally handed to the press on a way that looks like it's leaked out. They are actually getting scared and trying to move his sorry ass to do something, anything

[-] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 30 points 10 months ago

I didn’t read the article, but on first impression of the situation I thought this was a hand picked article to get the voter base comfortable with Biden being replaced by someone else during the election.

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[-] ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml 54 points 10 months ago

I'm urging Obama to stfu and go to the Hague.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 29 points 10 months ago

Pokémon Go to the ICC

[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 54 points 10 months ago

Barfsack Ocrumbo saying you’re going to give us trump like who-did-this

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 51 points 10 months ago

True but the 2016 election was still the easiest election of my lifetime for a dem.

I mean Hillary had to literally never go to states she was relying on for her strategy to blow it.

Obama would have been reelected if he could have run, hell he'd probably still be president if it weren't for term limits because from what I've seen from liberals he's still literally never done anything wrong.

[-] Self_Sealing_Stem_Bolt@hexbear.net 45 points 10 months ago

Libs haaaaaate when you point out his crimes. It's like sacrilege or something lol

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 52 points 10 months ago

Which is hilarious because to his credit he made it as clear as possible he did not give a fuck about them the moment he left office.

He went fucking paragliding with billionaires before Trump was fully moved in, short of getting a custom parachute with "fuck the poors" written on it he couldn't have been any more clear.

Show a lib the quote about how he thinks he's pretty close to Reagan politically if you want to learn some new slurs for russian people.

[-] Aryuproudomenowdaddy@hexbear.net 37 points 10 months ago

When I was still on reddit-logo there was a post about how Michelle was visiting the area on some book tour and I quipped if the audience would be able to ask how she felt about being married to a war criminal. Some lib tried using the nwordbot on me when there was a bunch of chuds in the same post making the usual jabs about her being a man or animal.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 10 months ago

Words are meaningless to liberals, it's all about vibes. So you pointing out his horrific foreign policy carries exactly the same amount of weight to them as a racist right winger making "jokes" about her like that. Both are exactly equally offensive to them. Except unlike the racist, your remark can't be dismissed out of hand, so they have to find some way to attack your character to decredit you and lump you in with the racist CHUDs.

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[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 50 points 10 months ago

LMAO, the party of "let's do nothing lol" is begging their do-nothing in power to change strategies.

Dems unironically want to lose. 2016 fucked them up big time, and now the fancy themselves as the GOP's bottom.

[-] jack@hexbear.net 49 points 10 months ago

one thing you can say about Obama, unlike the dems that have followed him, is that he really fucking wanted to win

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 53 points 10 months ago

Yea running on a progressive message after doing literally nothing for four years after running on a progressive message is like, the thing that Obama is better than literally anyone else in the world at.

I rember people fantasizing about what Obama was going to do in a second term once he won re-election. I was sympathetic to the message but in my defense I was a literal child.

Hilarious that he has to explain to Biden you have to lie more you can't just coast on your accomplishments of you didn't do anything.

[-] SerLava@hexbear.net 26 points 10 months ago

In 2008 I wasnt even very politically engaged and I was not consistently leftist at all, but even I saw through Obama's campaign. He hardly promised fucking anything. Reddit and Digg kept saying he was going to legalize weed even when he specifically said he wouldnt

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 24 points 10 months ago

Hey he didn’t do nothing, look at all the dead brown people he’s responsible for! Seems like his disciple learned well.

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 21 points 10 months ago

My cynical ass called bullshit from the start and people got angry saying that I shouldn't judge him about a future that has yet to be seen.

[-] Kaplya@hexbear.net 43 points 10 months ago

Lol Obama’s legacy is Trump, nothing can erase that. The policies from his era directly led to Trump.

People say it was because Hillary was a bad candidate, but her campaign would have had a lot of legs to stand on if Obama had not already sold out working class America (remember TPP?) and deleted generations of accumulated wealth of black communities by half overnight, among many other policies that greatly benefited the wealthy donor class at the expense of the common people.

[-] Dr_Gabriel_Aby@hexbear.net 15 points 10 months ago

Hillary was abnormally unpopular in keys states. Entirely separate for Obama. Her husband made NAFTA, she oversaw the beginnings of TPP as Sec of State.

If Obama was able to run a 3rd term he would have smoked Trump. Obama single-handedly won Biden’s primary campaign, Biden won the main election because of his connection to Obama. Hell if Joe Biden ran in 2016 saying all the same things as Hillary, including deplorables, he would have won.

Obama is so popular still. No one cares about policy but leftist. To everyone else in America politics is consumer aesthetics.

[-] pumpchilienthusiast@hexbear.net 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I think it's more having one of them in the White House radicalized a lot racist white folk, but yeah, his dumbass policies didn't help either.

[-] CTHlurker@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

Obama being sandwiched between Bush II and Trump is really the most graded-on-a-curve you can ever fucking get. He did shit-fuck for people and every single democrat-voter will forever hold him as the second coming of jesus.

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[-] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 10 months ago

An election. Not real change.

[-] jack@hexbear.net 29 points 10 months ago

oh yeah obviously lol

[-] adultswim_antifa@hexbear.net 36 points 10 months ago

So we have a democrat running for president that isn't taking seriously the possibility that America might be dumb enough to elect someone like Donald Trump, even though Americans have been demonstrating that they are that dumb for almost 10 years.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 28 points 10 months ago

They've demonstrated that for way longer.

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Alternative timeline where WWII doesn't happen thus no Operation Paperclip and NASA is staffed exclusively by corn husking whitebread midwesterners that keep dying from trying to get drunk off the rocket fuel.

[-] buckykat@hexbear.net 24 points 10 months ago

Alternative timeline where the DNC didn't ratfuck Henry Wallace at the 1944 convention so when FDR died the US didn't drop the bomb and didn't start the cold war.

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[-] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 34 points 10 months ago

New bit idea: refuse to engage with electoralism unless Obama personally comes in to talk me into it

[-] Beaver@hexbear.net 15 points 10 months ago

It works in New Hampshire!

[-] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

I live in Eastern Europe but still demand my Obama pep talk

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[-] footfaults@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago

Hmmm yes it's just the wrong consultants and the wrong org structure that is why Biden is polling badly. Not his policies....

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 24 points 10 months ago

Consultant speak is a trip.

In a statement this summer, Eric Schultz, a senior adviser to Obama, said...

"[Obama] looks forward to supporting Democrats up and down the ballot next fall, and no race has bigger stakes than President Biden's reelection... We place a huge emphasis on finding creative ways to reach new audiences, especially tools that can be directly tied to voter mobilization or volunteer activations. We are deliberate in picking our moments because our objective is to move the needle."

I edited it a bit.

[-] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 22 points 10 months ago

But even Biden is frustrated by his public standing, frequently complaining about his low poll numbers in private conversations with aides. In one meeting shortly before Thanksgiving, he demanded to know what his team and his campaign staff were doing about it.

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The low approval ratings have persisted despite a humming economy, as the country added 216,000 jobs in December.

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[-] invo_rt@hexbear.net 16 points 10 months ago

humming economy

My rent is ~33% higher today than the day Biden took office. Groceries are probably a solid ~25% higher, if not more. Biden didn't personally raise the prices, but he (and the Dems) didn't do a damn thing about them either.

[-] Fishroot@hexbear.net 21 points 10 months ago

Why ? The ghost of Edward Said is haunting Obama at night?

[-] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 21 points 10 months ago

Maybe if you want someone who gives a shit you shouldn't run an 80-year-old man

[-] kkitsuragisleftnut@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Gee if only some drone-happy milquetoast centrist hadn't put Blithering Biden on the national stage in the first place we wouldn't be having this problem.

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 18 points 10 months ago

Biden is about to be shown footage of the JFK assassination from an angle never seen before.

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[-] D61@hexbear.net 17 points 10 months ago

So... a bunch of Obama's campaign people gave him a call and asked him to put in a good word to Biden (and his people) so they can get some of that "sweet sweet" election campaign money being advisors and such.

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 16 points 10 months ago

In fairness I think Biden's mostly right on this. His entire campaign in 2020 was just him saying "I am not Donald Trump", and he won then. Personally I think 2024 comes down to the same argument since he's not going to change policies that might win back voters he's alienated.

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 14 points 10 months ago

So Obama and his consultant clique have become just another gang of out of touch DC shitheads, or they want to make Biden's victory overdetermined, instead of a "most likely" thing

[-] LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA@hexbear.net 17 points 10 months ago

have become? Weren't they always?

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 14 points 10 months ago

They used to be a gang of ruthless DC shitheads who could talk the electoral talk (Obama circa 2008 and 2020)

Now looks like they're just lusting after Netflix deals and digging for consulting gigs

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