It’s an american presidential election cycle, time to show off what little you learned in the last 4 elections
lmao at the fantasy that a 90 year old segregationist would suddenly pivot left on his final term in office.
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Maybe they're banking on dementia making him forget he's a racist, pro capital goon lmao
It's just a stutter sweaty
Stolen from Trillbillies, "the memories make the man, and honestly the man sucks. Let's convince him he was a maoist in his youth firebombing buildings"
usually dementia takes your recent memories first... so his psyche is doomed to return to McCarthy (if it can ever be said to have left McCarthy in the first place)
not a bad strategy compared to everything else they've got
See, this would be a much better rhetorical argument (but still shit for material reasons) than anything I've heard from fhe libs. But of course it would never occur to them, because it would rely upon the idea that the cloistered, absurdly privileged, increasingly demented bulwark of the capital class were anything except infallible symbols of superirotiy they shared in.
Or, libs gonna lib.
Yes, but common sense is hard
Out of all of 
's smug thought-terminating cliches this one has got to be the worst. Everything they agree with is "common sense" and everyone who disagrees with them lacks it. No need to critically analyze anything you believe, even for two seconds to consider whether or not this """"common sense"""" actually makes sense at all (why would you need to get rid of the GOP to push the Democrats left? If the Dems had no actual competition and thus no pressure to win your votes wouldn't they just do whatever the hell they felt like doing??? Never mind the idea of "voting out the GOP" as if half the country wasn't firmly entrenched red districts). No, I'm always correct, so if you disagree with me you lack common sense.
Common Sense is far too common and makes no sense
-Oscar Wilde, probably
The “yeah but X is hard” cliche is certainly reddity. Claiming authority over what counts as common sense, well I’ve heard that from all types of people. Heard it plenty in the Southern US arguing with conservatives. Anyone might whip that phrase out when, upon being pushed to justify a political view in the mildest way, they realize they have only a gut feeling or simple programming passed from their parents.
"Stop applying logic!" is another one in this vein
Step 1.) Politically disenfranchise 150 million people without harming them, threatening them, coercively re-educating them, or disenfranchising them
Step 2.) Push Joe Left
Yes, right.
GOP constituency is only about <70 mil allowing for a portion of trump voters to be wishy-washy
the problem is that the 80 mil ideological dems are almost as bad 
There definitely aren’t 80 million ideological dems. Most of them voted for Biden out of either reluctance or ignorance.
yeah i dont know any reliable heuristic to subtract hesitant/opportunist votes, the point is the sides are not literally half the country, and as a rule the dems edge the republicans out
Force how? Stern tweet about how, even though you promise to vote for them again, you’re very disappointed in how they behaved?
If Biden doesnt behave he gets one of these 
The first step is to convince everyone that we need to hand over our only bargaining chip, immediately. Only after that point can you start making any demands.
Hey they learned by watching Dems negotiate. That's how you know they're real fans.
you're not supposed to think about how capitulating voting pressure leaves exactly zero avenues for pressuring politicians they approve of
See, there are other options on the table, they just don’t like the implication of those options. It’s about maintaining this illusion that the Democrats are a real political party built from member consensus and not a de facto official state party. Any realistic pressure path would require acknowledging the nature of the beast.
these libs probably clutched pearls at yelling at dems in public, nevermind sit-ins and more direct action
"Let's push them to the left," the clueless socdem says, as he's lined up to be shot by fascist paramilitaries.
The clueless socdem joins the fascist paramilitary.
Yeah both tends to happen
Let's replace fascists with more fascists. - Libs.
Paul von Hindenburg hours.
The most important election of our lifetime 
This person would have a hell of a time on a hamster wheel.
A 100% democrat controlled Senate would have 51 Joe Manchins in it
Okay let's pretend for a minute this works. You go, vote, the fascists are all out. The dems are now alone, ready to be moved to the left. Then you tell the Dems, alright pal, it's time to move to the left. But the Dems just say "lmfao no". So what's up?
What does he mean by "force", armed leftist insurrection against the remnants of fascism, aka the Democratic Party?
Is there some reasoning that led them to this conclusion? What was that reasoning? What was the evidence that convinced them that this is the order of operations that will work?
"I dont know what happened all those other times, obviously if we push them to the left they'll fold to our pressure, i cant seem to recall what i had for breakfast"
They're young.
Or stupid.
I'm starting to see what people used to mean when they said to look at past movements and "listen to your elders" in regard to protesting and social change.
We repeat the same cycle every 8ish years where an entire age group comes of voting age, and ignores everything that happened before they were 18. It's why we aren't allowed to use Biden's whole record to criticize him or establish a pattern of being a racist, lying sex pest. It's why they still stand on the sidewalks with pithy signs with Harry Potter quotes on them and call it protest.
the Democratic party claims all victories fought by leftist grassroots movements and the Democratic voters believe it, and say tjat all of the strategies that won those battles are too extreme.
How'd this strategy go 3 years ago?
TIME IS A FLAT CIRCLE
reminds me of that poem from Hollow Knight
No cost too great.
No mind to think.
No object permanence.
No actions to aid the suffering.
Born of Twitter and Brunch.
You shall vote once every four years rather than having any dreams.
You are the Centrist.
You are the Lib Knight.
What does he mean by "force" them left? The only way to force them to do anything is to threaten to withhold your vote. If we voted out all the GOP and the Dems didn't want to move left, the very next election this guy would be saying "you can't withhold your vote or else the GOP will get back into power". So when is it ever time to force them left??
This metaphor only works if the horse can actually walk.
The cart is full of Nazis and the horse is Hitler.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
It’s not just remembering history from before two years ago, sentiments like these betray a deeply flawed understanding of political power.
The problem isn’t that liberals will genuinely believe this process which has never happened in the history of humanity will bear fruit, but that they can’t see the flaw in starting out by reifying the status quo before building a power base against it.
If you like a toxic guy and want to change him, first you have to give him everything he wants and then he will start to love you and become a nice boyfriend.
Hey quick question though. In what year do you think this strategy was started?
Fate of Gracchi brothers tells me it was pretty long ago.