The difference is that China did it to their own people
The classic Nazi talking point, I love this one!
Stalin is worse than Hitler because Stalin killed his own people!
Also the PRC was founded in 1949, I really don't understand how someone can bring up the Mongol Empire and link that to Mao Zedong.
The classic Nazi talking point, I love this one!
Umm achually they identify as a socialist, they're just "anti-authoritarian". You tankies wouldn't understand
There total lack of coherence is giving me a headache
"People" vs "your own people".
Oh yeah it's that liberal thought cliche where the lives of people in other countries don't matter.
They were driven out
They were killed. It's crazy how genocide enjoyers will sneak in the subtlest genocide apologia every chance they get.
Erm, yikes! I'm pretty sure that's not true. This is what we learned in history class:
That's fake right? This isn't really a children's schoolbook, right?
Though as an Australian, we're taught that our country was "uninhabited" and the Aboriginals "didn't use most of the land and left it for the settlers." So...yeah, we've probably got a couple of these books floating around here too.
"First Nations" suggests this is a Canadian text book of some kind, and given that they're currently engaged in at least one "land dispute" that would be a war of aggression if international law was good for anything other than toilet paper, and a number of other disputes with First Nations people, I'd say this might be real.
The people telling you communism goes against human nature also tell you it's human nature for a nation to slaughter people for land. Just normal human nature shit.
Jesus what a fucking terrible argument. I'm sure the native americans were just happy white people weren't killing other white people. "At least it's intentional," they thought as they were being driven from their land.
Every time I hear someone try to claim things are human nature (greed, cruelty, selfishness, etc) I just interpret it as a confession of that person having those traits and an attempt to project that unto the rest of society to feel better about it.
One thing I like to do to really leave the libs shooketh to deconstruct that argument of "But greed will always be a part of humanity!!" is by telling them that if we look over history, murder has always been a feature of humanity.
But do we award the murderers with the most money, political power, and prestige in society? (I know exactly where your mind goes to when I say this but stick with me for a minute and remember that this is when I'm talking on the role of Lib Whisperer.) Or as a society do we actively take steps to mitigate the murderous impulses of humanity by disincentivising it, condemning it, and punishing those who commit murder?
Why then would you do something different with a negative and destructive impulse like greed? Why would you reward it, encourage it, and give the most political power and the most prestige to the greediest people in society?
Who would want to live in that sort of world?
If they object to this notion because they are suffering from a deficit of imagination, you can point to the potlatch ceremony, in which certain societies would give the most prestige in their communities to the people who gave the most to the community in these ceremonies, where people would sometimes even effectively bankrupt themselves in the pursuit of prestige within their communities.
I usually tell a person like that they should stop making pronouncements about all of humanity because they've clearly never stepped outside their comfortable little bubble long enough to realise that, shockingly, different societies do things differently and whatever they say about humanity is just a reflection of their own narrow cultural biases.
But do we award the murderers with the most money, political power, and prestige in society?
But murder is bad, with greed I'm just exercising my natural right to private property
We fuckin tried to be diplomatic with these people and they called me a Nazi so now you all have our blessing to go forth and dunk
Fuck these fucking people.
They seem to think that being an Anarchist just means being anti-communist. To the point that they are literally parroting fascist taking points about "our people". As if Jackson killing millions of Native Americans to steal their land is somehow not as bad as mismanagement of agricultural policy during a drought/famine? Because Jackson only oppressed the other right. Because a leader's job isn't to build a better world by harnessing the labor and skills of all people, but to either exterminate the other to protect their own or liquidate nature and the proletariat for profit
Every radlib thinks they got it all figured out til an actual anarchist shows up and then they all suddenly turn into Nazis
An an ML, I want to say I genuinely feel bad that Anarchists have to deal with this bullshit. Like, I can't imagine being an Anarchist and having so many illiterate liberals claim their ideology while spewing reprehensible, absurd bullshit. Anarchists are comrades I respect and have principled disagreements with, but these guys? What the fuck.
"The native American Genocide wasn't that bad, because they weren't considered human"
Sincere post - am I doing something harmful to myself or my psyche? Am I being too insular in staying away from the mental sewer pipes of 
, twitter, etc in search of places where I don't see this shit? Should I desensitize myself a little to people like this? Because I tend to avoid people like this. In real life, I'm careful to only stay close with people who are, at their core, kind and loving and empathic. I also do this online.
I hate this person. I truly do, and every other sniveling, servile, cowardly, shithead like them. I don't like hating this person, and I don't like hating people at all. I'll always hate 
, but it's no moral crime to hate your oppressor. For this person, my hatred feels more real and visceral and it makes me uncomfortable.
A few years ago I visited White Sands National Park. To get there I had to drive through Alamogordo, a town that seems to mostly exist to service the nearby air force base. On the main tourist track that leads to the park, I passed a kind of mini strip mall set up alongside the road. It was all run-down buildings or shacks or roadside tents covered in native American symbolism with shitty names that I don't care to repeat, selling trinkets and baubles. The people working there all looked, at a glance, to be native American as well. An entire culture reduced to selling bits of "authentic Indian silver" or whatever to scratch out a living. The survivors of a genocide trying to make some money off of the bits of their culture that can be commodified. This is my first time ever discussing that sight, and it's still hard to articulate it. The feeling was so heavy, so suffocating, such a powerful sense of wrongness and injustice that it defies my limited powers of this language to communicate. An entire continent of people - dozens of cultures and languages and histories and peoples slaughtered and displaced and deposited at the edges of a new society that would prefer them gone and relegated to black-and-white photos.
So, GBU_28 is trying to handwave away what America did because Ghengis Khan did it as well. Native Americans weren't "noble savages" by any means. I'm sure they fought and inflicted cruelty and callousness on their fellow man just as all peoples have done. But we stole this place. In its entirety. This entire nation, as well as its equally savage brother-country to the north, ground up the first peoples' bones to use in the foundational concrete. Mods remove this if it's too much, but I truly hope that GBU_28 suffers in this life. I'm fully convinced that this person who I've never met and I never will should truly be subject to the worst agonies and miseries conceivable by the human mind. No physical or emotional torment could compare with what they're trying to "yada yada yada" away.
It can't be good for me.
The whole "Manifest Destiny is innocent because colonialism is just human nature" is very popular with Amerikkkans. I've heard this same shit from grade school to the workplace.
They fucking love essentializing their national crimes as products of evolutionary behavior so they can pat themselves on the back for "overcoming" their "natural" urges while being flabbergasted about the oppressed for wanting accountability from the still existing regime that perpetrated it (and still is!).
The US is what would happen if Nazi Germany survived for over 200 years.
We have the same continuous government that did ALL of those things. There has NEVER been a cleaning of house.
Is this guy implying that Genghis Khan...conquered land on behalf of China? Am I reading that right? Are they seriously that historically illiterate?
I guess it's not an accident. This is deliberate.
I guess if you stuck your head up your own ass until you turned yourself inside out you could say that modern China is somehow a successor state of the Mongolian Yuan state? And that... uh... somehow... the Song, and Ming states... did imperialism? And that Mao did an imperialism because.... the Yuan dynasty...
I'm sorry I'm trying real hard but I can't pull any kind of sense out of that.
Is this what NATOnauts are telling themselves about how the world works to justify provocations against China? I can't tell what is the work of one crank or the work of large numbers of cranks anymore.
Ah, we've been bamboozled. We're looking at it backwards.
You see, China bad. Mao bad man. These are the facts, the Truth. Now we just need to work backwards to find out ways China is bad and Mao is bad. I heard Mao smoked cigarettes, which is very uncouth behaviour. And he smoked them in China. Clearly he was hoping the secondhand smoke would kill millions! What an evil guy!
That is just open white nationalism and genocide denial
It is interesting tho watching how desperately fascists try to appropriate our terminology despite how they wield it so incoherently
Shows the inherent weakness of their positions and politics, they have nothing except what they can take from us
its really funny how libs alternate between "im just a smol bean, tankies are such meanies" and Reinhard Heydrich depending on what they are talking about
'whataboutism' LMAO i literally havent heard an original critique from liberals for at least two years at this point
As a person of NATO, Andrew Jackson is allowed to order the ethnic cleansing of Indigenous peoples. People of NATO being able to steal land from Indigenous peoples is allowed because people of NATO are justifiably hierarchically over Indigenous peoples. I'm definitely an anarchist.
You know they're right, we should hold the definitely still existing Golden Horde accountable for the actions of Chingis Khan. I'll drive down to Ulaanbaatar and throw red paint on the giant statue right away (I would never do this the Mongolians are cool people and that statue owns.)
Ah yes, Han Chinese people colonised themselves. I am very smart.
So is 196 just /r/neoliberal2.0? Why did we 
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You make some good points about how Andrew Jackson killed only in defense of his own people. Reminds me of this book written by Andolfo Hütlie.
You might be interested in checking it out if you want to understand more about the necessity of the Trail of Tears in the development of America's big beautiful strip malls and suburbs.
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