They recovered four, three of them AT the crash sites! How. The black boxes didn't even survive. 
They recovered all kinds of shit.
Like seriously all kinds of shit.
9/11 conspiracy stuff sucks. Come up with something cool with aliens or something.
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9/11 conspiracy stuff sucks
Kinda hard to ignore all the insider trading tho
and the domestic and foreign intelligence on the attackers, the timing of the patriot Act, the anthrax attacks... easy to dismiss the passports as a wacky detail (and it is just a small piece of circumstantial evidence) but acting like 9/11 truth shouldn't be discussed on here is high level lib shit
yeah, I cam believe in some weird coincidences, heavy emphasis on SOME
Great then I am a proud liberal. I will vote for Hillary Clinton twice. I will pokemon go to the polls. I am having brunch right now while discussing Euphoria and planning my next "Live Laugh Love" sign.
Don't front, I've been tits deep in this shit for 23 years. I am not impressed with stale ideas that were boring a decade ago.
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My 9/11 theory is that it was all an accident.
lol i would say the passports thing is a minor detail that doesn't prove anything on its own but dismissing 9/11 truth out of hand is 
shit. the commission was a massive coverup and the public deserves to know the truth, acting like it shouldn't be a valid topic of discussion on here is doing state Dept work for them.
literally conflating 9/11 truth with aliens lol. at least try to uninternalise the yankee propaganda in your brain about this before speaking on it, I know it's a topic where that's been fed to you in a particularly intense fashion but if you think critically that makes it all the more important to question official narratives.
It seems like some wrap up 9/11 truth conspiracies into a bundle and throw them all away based on the most absurd ones, like the planes actually being taken away to some black site with all the passengers still alive.
In reality, if you view some of the details like the entire scenario surrounding the striking of the Pentagon, the very odd timing of air defense training/drills drawing fighter jets away from the region, and all the warnings from other intelligence agencies paired with Rumsfeld and friends' actions that day, it seems just as absurd to say those were a ton of wacky coincidences
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^this. The furthest extent that there is some kind of 9/11 conspiracy is that the Bush admin might have been expecting some type of domestic event or other to happen that they could use as just cause for an invasion. They did not expect - let alone orchestrate - 9/11.
Humans have pattern matching brains. It's easy to find stuff like the building owner having a dermatologist appointment that day. And then you completely fail to analyze it in the context that he probably also had a dentist's appointment the last week too. Same goes for every other thing.
9/11 truth isn't just "Bush did 9/11". it's undeniable that there is more to the story than the commission (coverup) told people. people deserve to know the truth. acting dismissive of this is your yankee lib brain at work.
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Humans have pattern matching brains.
see folding the $20 bill
They were expecting something, and deprioritized/ignored investigations that might have prevented it. I think they were only surprised by the scale of it.
The bigger and more obvious conspiracy was the package of actions they had pre-planned to take advantage of whatever happened (the Patriot Act, the Iraq War).
how is this the top comment 🙄 where is the hexbear instance with no americans. i tire of you all
Not me tho
Come up with something cool with aliens or something.
Someone on this site (a couple of months ago) came up with a clever theory: Both the US Govt and Al Qaeda planned the attack, but both did it separately and not knowing each other's plans. The date was a pure coincidence as well, both parties attacked on the same day but on different towers.
Tower 7 and the Pentagon are your imagination fooling you. They never happened.
This is your take? I mean, the insider trading stuff is pretty heavy evidence that people knew ahead of time. People with money and resources to act on this foreknowledge. And the case that we are presented with by the commission is, well, a story of people close to important state actors conspiring to commit the crime. The state dept story is a conspiracy theory, even if truncated, obfuscated, covered-up, that is still what they presented us with. Oh yeah, and that many in the intelligence community knew of the attackers presence in the US, others knowing of an impending attack, and the attackers being closely related to Saudi intelligence, ya know, the intelligence service buttresses with US technology and training in close partnership. But yeah, just like “UFO’s”.
Some folks are presented with facts which should cause alarm and suspicion but instead reel and dismiss, and I can only point to a lack of intellectual curiosity, ideology, or a motivated viewpoint based on a perceived in-group’s general opinion which steers then into taking the state department position, and that of the Atlantic Monthly. “Actually it’s all chaos and accident, and our pattern seeking brains project meaning onto events which are random.” I’m nit saying that’s your position, but it is a common refrain to dismiss real conspiracies, and reminds me of Parenti’s take on historians who talk about “the reluctant US empire who rose to the occasion at a critical juncture to bumble its way into global dominance”. Like, no calculation or conspiring required.
As if these shit hole leaders are braying at every opportunity to make money dropping bombs. Just god smiling on them I guess. Nothing to see here.
Ey bro I've been around the whole time. I know all this shit. I'm not impressed. "Take your lack of intellectual curiosity" somewhere else. 9/11 was blowback for America's adventures in the Middle East and Afghanistan. Bunch of guys flew planes in to buildings. No one in the alphabet soup put it together because 1.) al-Qaeda was trying to blow up the WTC all the time. 9/11 was, what, their second? Third attempt? 2.) the US Intelligence agencies aren't magical all knowing wizards and no one group had all the pieces needed to figure all of this out and 3.) There's like 500 conspiracies related to 9/11, but "9/11 was a false flag" or "9/11 was an inside job" or "Jet fuel can't melt steel beams" is just silly bullshit. US intelligence letting Saudi intelligence play games with them? Sure. USAPATRIOT being pre-written and just waiting for the inevitable excuse because there was always going to be some excuse, because the US pisses off so many people? Sure. The US intel agencies had all the information they needed but didn't put the pieces together? Sure. US Intel being too arrogant to understand what their catspaws are up to? Sure.
There were all kinds of conspiracies going on. Boring, banal conspiracies that the US gets up to all the time. Not cool guy stuff like the US, idk what the contemporary bs even is, remote controlling the planes? the planes were holograms? The pentagon wasn't actually hit? I have no idea, because I stopped caring literally a decade ago.
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FYI the trueanon series is a good primer if you still suffer from lib brain about 9/11
Hell yeah sista
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If they had planted passports, they would have been Iraqi passports. So weirdly, this one part of the story has to be true.
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Paper is uniquely suited to surviving plane crashes due to its physics (low density, high surface area).
black boxes from 9/11 planes were uniquely suited to being scooped up by the deepest reaches on the deep state never to be seen again.
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"Oh bother! I just realized if we fly into the buildings while holding our passports, they'll be able to identify us!" said Terrorist 1
"That's a good point!" said Terrorist 2 "Here, hand them to me."
Then he quickly rolled down the window and threw them out, right as the plane impacted the tower, thinking he had committed the perfect crime.
"That's our story and we're sticking to it. Now go to bed." (not really, I don't know what the official explanation actually is)
Magic.
The magic jet fuel theory
Jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams. But metal loses it's strength while retaining its solid phase as it is heated. https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/metal-temperature-strength-d_1353.html
This is the issue with laypeople speculating on complex engineering failures. The mechanisms of action that one might intuit from looking at a complex systems failure and the ones that actually cause it are oftentimes not related to or even opposite.
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This really isn't that hard to believe. The black boxes were bolted to the plane chassis and stuck around through the entirety of the fire and collapse. Personal effects like passports and clothing were subject to the intense drafts that any building fire causes and were blown around - possibly out of the plane or building, possibly away from the fire into a cooler part of the rubble. These are virtually certainly not the only paper documents they found, as another user mentioned, they found a roll of undeveloped film.
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My mates brothers sister heard from a friends cousin that they fell out the plane before impact and fell on the ground in a little pile.
noooo don't question the state department narrative around the only time my country has been attacked on its own soil!!! I haven't deprogrammed my yank brain about that yet!!!!!!
Explanation 1: When the planes crashed the buildings, the passports fell out of the plane unscathed and managed to survive entirely intact.
Explanation 2: The passports were planted by feds, but instead of using Iraqi and Afghani passports, they used Saudi, Emirati, and Egyptian passports because the feds ran out of fake Iraqi and Afghani passports and the fed intern was too lazy to climb 5 flights of stairs to get a new batch of fake Iraqi and Afghani passports at the adjacent building.
Also, in order to make it convincing, the feds planted thousands and thousands of other intact and partially intact items around the flight 93 debris field so people wouldn't suspect that the passports were planted.
They found things from the titanic sink. None of that is shocking
few state Dept volunteer workers in this thread I see 🫡 Americans just can't resist it when it comes to this topic lol. critical thinking brain just stops working
They could've said something like "we stored passenger information before the flight" or they could've said Al Qaeda informed them who did the attack yk.
Okay 9/11 truthers, since it seems that there's a lot of you here, why would the Bush administration do it? To justify an invasion? We could have invaded anywhere we wanted any time we wanted. Thinking that we needed a lot of people to die on domestic soil in order to justify an invasion in the public eye is lib shit. So what's left? Was the government whacking someone in the towers?
acting like 9/11 didn't change anything is incredible wilful ignorance. it revolutionised the capabilities of the American security state, domestic and global. i super don't want a debate about this but I recommend the trueanon series as a good primer to de-lib your brain about this
Adding on, it's important for younger comrades to know that shit like the TSA, DHS, and all those fusion centers (which somehow seem to be used against every major protest movement from Occupy to Pro-Palestine) did NOT exist before 2001. Also shit like the FISA bill which, after the PATRIOT Act, allows the security state to monitor anyone's communications in the US despite security state officials perjuring themselves to claim the opposite for years and was JUST renewed.
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The bloodlust immediately after 9/11 was the highest I've seen in my lifetime, much like Oct 7th has been for the Zionist project. I could maybe buy that 9/11 was orchestrated to not just invade countries but to rally Americans around the flag and secure the empire as the End of History.
Except Bush didn't do that. He could have pointed the finger at anyone and used that to orient the imperial project, but instead of using his biggest political windfall to start a war with Iran he blew his political capital on Afghanistan and then Iraq. Maybe he thought those would be easier occupations and he could use them to build momentum for Iran, but I don't see it. It just seems opportunist, rather than planned.
I'll say again, the meme boiling-down of the broad category of 9/11 truth to "bush did 9/11" has been a disaster. that's not what we mean when we say there is more to the story lol. the commission was undeniably a massive coverup and the people deserve to know the truth of every aspect of the story, that's what we mean.
we know it wasn't literally Bush slipping some hijackers a twenty under the table and asking them to hijack planes. We understand that you're proposing a complex and long-running plan that would have originated prior to the start of his term. He just would have had to be complicit, and as the head of state at the time, the turn of phrase is the easiest by saying that he did it.
i just want Americans to stop blindly reinforcing the state department narrative around this lol. I know it's hard and you've been very heavily propagandized about it but try to apply the same level of critical thought you would to something less close to home
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Iraq and Afghanistan are just two of the countries in the region that US politicians have openly been plotting to invade for decades. Syria, Yemen, and Iran are also on this list. They've plotted this since the 70s and have openly admitted to it in interviews since then.
Iraq was part of the bigger picture, like Iran. It wasn't just opportunistic, it was part of the plan from the beginning.
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To justify an invasion? We could have invaded anywhere we wanted any time we wanted
This makes it sound like you were born after 2001
Yes, in theory, the US could have invaded Iraq and Afghanistan any time they wanted, but wars in the US always require an excuse of some kind for The International Community (tm), and inevitably are unpopular with one party
The revanchist fury that soaked into the West right after 9/11 is hard to describe if you weren't there. That shit was bipartisan, every liberal went full 
overnight. News was 24/7 bloodlust, with the initial sucker punch on Baghdad playing live on every news outlet
What followed was 20 years of the biggest MIC grifting the world had ever seen. Billions in failed Future Soldier shit, billions in new weapons. Contractors selling pens valued at a thousand times their worth just to grift a few million more. And then came the PATRIOT Act and other surveillance methods which were accepted to wide acclaim because of 9/11, with no mainstream pushback. It further solidified the vassal relationship of the rest of NATO/the EU to the US as the US dragged others in and began militarily grifting them as well.The pre-9/11 world would be just unrecognizable to anyone born afterwards
Nobody is legitimately arguing that Bush personally contacted the Saudis and asked for Bin Laden. The usual argument is that the Bush regime had intel that they chose not to act on
Also, multiple bush regimes set up the circumstances that led to 9/11 starting with funding and arming the mujahideen. Bin Laden didn't come out of nowhere and the invasion of Afghanistan was completely unnecessary in terms of catching him and others who orchestrated the attack. Even Al-Qaeda offered to hand him over before the invasion and they weren't the last group to offer handing him over.
Bush Sr, Bush Jr, and many other ghouls indirectly setup 9/11 and then made the fallout larger than it needed to be to achieve their stated goals. The blood of millions is on their hands and 9/11 was a drop in the bucket. They deserve to be tried, convicted, and locked away as war criminals, not to sit out retirement painting and pretending they did no wrong.
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