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Are you transgender or gender diverse? Informal Survey Result: Majority of active Hexbear users say Yes and Maybe. (hexbear.net)
submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by kristina@hexbear.net to c/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns@hexbear.net
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Took me a bit and I am a little drunk but here are the totals. We had a good showing.

Note: some comments got cut out because the server doesn't like displaying more than 300 from what I can tell. I did my best with what it would show, I just sorted them by new. This should be fairly representative of the currently active userbase. As an aside, I believe we did a similar survey a looong time ago, and we had only 33% of the active userbase as trans.

Random thoughts:

A lot of people were very very cute and confused and essentially asked me to decide their gender for them. Eggs? Probably. This isn't Harry Potter and I'm not a hat so I just went with what they were sounding more convinced of.

A lot of people are even cuter and don't understand how to follow instructions, though some of this is my fault. Made this a little harder to organize.

Some people were not cis and did not identify with the words 'transgender' or 'gender diverse'. If I ever do a trans/adjacent survey again, I think I will ask 'Are you cis?'

I may do a survey for queer people overall eventually, and the question will be 'Are you cishet?'

I would love to do more scientific, inclusive polling and have better and more questions and options, but we need some good secure polling tech for that, which we don't have. So I just have to ask simple questions and get a handful of answers.

Next time I will look into how feasible it is to post a couple of comments and get responders to upvote certain ones. This might fix the issue of the display of comments being limited.

Since some people have two sets of pronouns, both of their pronouns are included separately.

Since the poll was public, some marginalized groups probably shied away from answering. If we ever get a secure way to poll people, we would get more realistic estimates of the trans and cis women userbase.

#Tallies

Yes: 121 
No: 137
Maybe: 37 
Total: 295

If you think something is fucked, you can do it yourself, the thread is public. Hope you like pie! shrug-outta-hecks

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[–] LesbianLiberty@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Shout out to the cisgender they/thems

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

amab: assigned mysterious at birth

[–] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thank you 🫑

[–] SerLava@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

monke-beepboop everyone doing advanced levels of username analysis

[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

I think there being only one cis woman on the site comes down to cis women potentially not wanting to reveal that sort of information because men on the internet would inevitably be strange about it.

That said, there's probably only 5-10 more in hiding (if that, even).

It would be interesting to see other instances demographic surveys - have they ever done any?

[–] Rx_Hawk@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

I think this is entirely true, if pretty sad. Cisgender women I have been in online gaming communities with nearly always end up harassed at some point.

This is true for trans women too, but for different reasons.

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

comes down to cis women potentially not wanting to reveal that sort of information

One could create an alt account specifically for answering the survey, but that's maybe a bit botherstinky.

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

How dare you suggest men on the Internet would not be extremely and incredibly normal grillman

[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

I was going to comment on the "No"'s who went out of their way to choose [any] or [they/them] pronouns, but this would make sense as a reason to choose those.

[–] RedQuestionAsker2@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

A lot of people were very very cute and confused and essentially asked me to decide their gender for them. Eggs? Probably.

UwU I just don't know... I'm totally cis but if someone were to tell me otherwise I guess I could go along with it... crush

Oh no, I hope they don't pick some cute gender for me shy

A-are they gonna make me change my pronouns on the bear site? That would be so...! ralsei-blush

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I would have been like this but I was largely away and did not have good answers

[–] RedQuestionAsker2@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

It's never too late!

[–] Poogona@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

Got so much respect for the trans posters here, the depression I had growing up stemming from a comparatively light amount of alienation and isolation from my peers took an incredible amount of effort to climb out of, so it seems like an almost supernatural feat to me to be openly trans in these times.

[–] theother2020@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

No. Cis woman here if you’re still collecting.

[–] Xx_Aru_xX@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not many trans men

[–] solitaire@infosec.pub 0 points 10 months ago (3 children)

This is the weird reality of the internet. I've met far, far more trans men in real life than trans women but online it's the complete opposite. I have no idea why.

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Big ups to trans men for being a lot less terminally online, lol

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

we stay inside where the handholding is at

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I've personally met more trans women IRL than trans men β€” but regarding your experience, I also feel like trans women are probably more likely to be closeted than trans men.

[–] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago (6 children)

While I get I can't read gender by just asking "Are you trans?" and "Pronouns?", did we not find a single cis woman on this website?

[–] Ocommie63@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 10 months ago

You see that tiny dark blue sliver, i think that’s the cis woman pop on the instance

[–] NoLeftLeftWhereILive@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

Had this been polled a year or two ago I would have probably answered no. Maybe there are more like me in the maybe-department.

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

This is an opt-in poll and lots of cis women probably opted not to self-identify, as someone else pointed out

[–] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

We likely would see different results in an anonymous poll as well as with a poll that included lurkers

[–] PoisonIvy@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I am not cis but even a couple of years ago I would have opted not to self-identify. I imagine this is very common with cis women, too. The only reason I did now was because from my perspective we are beyond any amount of opsec saving me from potential bad actors interested on that front, so I might as well be forthright about it.

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

Same.

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[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

remember when those lemmy nerds were saying we were all faking being a trans inclusive space?

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They'll probably pull the "look, there can't be that many, so that proves they're lying" bullshit.

You can't win with liberal transphobes

[–] radiofreeval@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

How do we have so few cis women? Is there even a single one?

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

yeah, theres probably somewhere around 5-15 (and maybe very optimistically, 40-50 per week) daily active cis women based on the numbers here. def an issue that needs to be fixed, along with finding some transmascs. But this is also a public poll and a good number of people are less likely to answer things publicly, so the actual rates are somewhat skewed

to be frank i wouldnt be surprised if we had almost all the cis women on lemmy here, lol. a lot of the other instances do their damndest to run them off (re: even with alleged anti-misogyny rules, they get harassed a ton). i think we need to find a posting vanguard of cis women and trans mascs that lead the charge like how we've done with transfems. over time, by focusing on pronoun tech and building trans specific areas of the site, the trans pop has skyrocketed. just gotta find good ways to flesh that out for other groups. i recall @Othello@hexbear.net i think suggesting identifier emojis for poc people, and i figure just finding some trans mascs and putting them in charge of some communities will also go a long way to building up the trans masc pop. for cis women, im not so sure how to attract more, maybe we can analyze reddit womens communities and see what theyre interested in talking about and setting up specific spots of hexbear for those interests.

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Might just be they're quiet. The internet isn't kind to them. If we weren't so openly accepting of trans people I assume we would have a lot of trans women also being quiet. Being a woman on the internet kind of trains you to not let people know your gender if you don't want to be chased out of a place.

[–] Hello_Kitty_enjoyer@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I ran the math and we have 0.82 definitely-cis women in this survey

the funny part is I'm pretty sure my math is right

[–] ComradeEd@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

If you think something is fucked, you can do it yourself, the thread is public. Hope you like pie!

Edit: I updated my code, it is now more strict.

Yes: 160
No: 166
Maybe: 37
Total comments gone through: 434

The last few that aren't categories can be gone through manually. I haven't done that.

new code

import requests, json, re

url = "https://hexbear.net/api/v3/comment/list?post_id=2207213&sort=New&limit=50&page="

headers = {"accept": "application/json"}

yes = 0
nos = 0
maybes = 0
comment_num = 0

for i in range(1, 10):
    response = requests.get(url+str(i), headers=headers)
    comments = json.loads(response.text)["comments"]
    
    for comment in comments:
        if comment["comment"]["removed"] == False and comment["comment"]["deleted"] == False:
            comment_num += 1
            comment_content = comment["comment"]["content"]
            if re.search('^(\n?
spoiler )?no(?!\w)', comment_content, re.IGNORECASE): nos += 1 elif re.search('^(\n?
)?yes(?!\w)', comment_content, re.IGNORECASE): yes += 1 elif re.search('^(\n?
spoiler )?maybe(?!\w)', comment_content, re.IGNORECASE): maybes += 1 else: print(comment_content) print("-----") print(f"{yes}, {nos}, {maybes}, {comment_num}")

:::

old commentYes: 150
No: 223
Maybe: 23
Total comments gone through: 436

spoiler code

import requests, json, re

url = "https://hexbear.net/api/v3/comment/list?post_id=2207213&sort=New&limit=50&page="

headers = {"accept": "application/json"}

yes = 0
nos = 0
maybes = 0
comment_num = 0

for i in range(1, 10):
    response = requests.get(url+str(i), headers=headers)
    comments = json.loads(response.text)["comments"]
    
    for comment in comments:
        if comment["comment"]["removed"] == False and comment["comment"]["deleted"] == False:
            comment_num += 1
            comment_content = comment["comment"]["content"]
            if re.search('no', comment_content, re.IGNORECASE):
                nos += 1
            elif re.search('yes', comment_content, re.IGNORECASE):
                yes += 1
            elif re.search('maybe', comment_content, re.IGNORECASE):
                maybes += 1

print(f"{yes}, {nos}, {maybes}, {comment_num}")

:::

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Think this'll work for the current survey?

[–] ComradeEd@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 8 months ago

Yes, or with very little changes.

[–] ComradeEd@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

I modified it a bit for the current survey:

#!/usr/bin/env python3

import requests, json, re

url = "https://hexbear.net/api/v3/comment/list?post_id=2664304&sort=New&limit=50&page="

headers = {"accept": "application/json"}

smile = 0
frown = 0
neutral = 0
malice = 0
comment_num = 0
skipped_num = 0

for i in range(1, 8):
    response = requests.get(url+str(i), headers=headers)
    comments = json.loads(response.text)["comments"]

    for comment in comments:
        if comment["comment"]["removed"] == False and comment["comment"]["deleted"] == False:
            if comment["comment"]["path"].count('.') == 1:
                comment_num += 1
                comment_content = comment["comment"]["content"]
                if re.search('dean-smile', comment_content, re.IGNORECASE):
                    smile += 1
                elif re.search('dean-frown', comment_content, re.IGNORECASE):
                    frown += 1
                elif re.search('dean-neutral', comment_content, re.IGNORECASE):
                    neutral += 1
                elif re.search('dean-malice', comment_content, re.IGNORECASE):
                    malice += 1
                else:
                    print(comment_content)
                    print("-----")
            else:
                skipped_num += 1

print(f"dean-smile: {smile}")
print(f"dean-frown: {frown}")
print(f"dean-neutral: {neutral}")
print(f"dean-malice: {malice}")
print(f"total comments gone through: {comment_num}")
print(f"total comments skipped: {skipped_num}")

This is the output:

![](https://lemmy.zip/pictrs/image/f99edcee-68a9-4f71-885f-38db167c570e.webp)
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![](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5ba9dd41-6011-4154-a1ef-4f640004e92c.PNG)
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Hexbear has more lgbt people than the liberal lgbt instances and it's not even trying. ![fidel-layup](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2695392b-441e-40b3-a2e0-23a9aa020a5f.png "emoji fidel-layup")  ![fidel-balling](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/274afbef-3094-4758-aafd-2f98e534b44e.png "emoji fidel-balling") 

The one neat trick: Visible pronouns that aren't buried in a performative section of the profile page where people can ignore that they exist.
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![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/3ce8f99a-5348-4521-9007-124181239567.jpeg) what is  this honeypot
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i’m not cishet i am the opposite of that
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![waltuh](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/70853509-445a-49e9-8325-5ff420dcef0a.png "emoji waltuh") 
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Yes

I can't do hexbear emojis on my phone 
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![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/26820bca-a838-4179-a021-0c4f0bfc0774.png)
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No
-----
dean-smile: 97
dean-frown: 174
dean-neutral: 23
dean-malice: 5
total comments gone through: 308
total comments skipped: 31

I'm not sure what happened to the comments neither gone through nor skipped (I'm skipping replies)

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago

Thanks, I'll take a look at running it when we're done collecting. I'm probably gonna have to comb over some answers that didn't complete the survey properly

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Is there a way to just download the json? I'll probably just edit a text file and load it into your code

[–] ComradeEd@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Just download the JSON from the API? Sure. Something like this:

#!/usr/bin/env python3

import requests

url = "https://hexbear.net/api/v3/comment/list?post_id=2664304&sort=New&limit=50&page="

headers = {"accept": "application/json"}

for i in range(1, 9):
    response = requests.get(url+str(i), headers=headers)
    with open(f"{i}.json", 'w') as json_file:
        json_file.write(response.text)

I also realised what was wrong! range() is inclusive-exclusive, that means for 1 to 8: it should be (1,9).

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Thanks for the help cat-trans

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