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[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 81 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Nazis existing is the Nazi throwing the first punch.

Their entire ideology is "might makes right" and extermination, they are attacking you by being a Nazi. Being a Nazi is by definition announcing your intention to do harm to the most vulnerable in our society

[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 55 points 2 weeks ago

And there's also one important detail.

Why the hell should I listen to a fascists' advice on how to defeat them? Sorry this ain't Steven Universe, I'm not going to burst out crying and hug the nazi telling him I forgive him because I know there's "good in him" deep down.

[-] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 41 points 2 weeks ago

We'll find the goodness within with a bullet, now face the wall please how-compelling wojak-nooo

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 35 points 2 weeks ago

Right? Where's that quote from Pavlichenko that's like "living nazis kill people so when I kil a Nazi I'm saving lives"?

[-] KoboldKomrade@hexbear.net 81 points 2 weeks ago

parenti "...and those who demand instant perfection the day after the Revolution. They get up and say "Are there civil liberties for the fascists? Are they gonna be allowed to have their newspapers and their radio programs? Are they gonna be able to keep all their farms? The passion that some of our liberals feel the day after the Revolution; the passion and concern they feel for the fascists, the civil rights and civil liberties of those fascists, who were dumping and destroying and murdering people before. Now the revolution has got to be perfect it's got to be flawless.

Well that isn't my criteria. My criteria is what happens to those people who couldn't read? What happens to those babies that couldn't eat, that died of hunger? And there, that's why I support revolution. The revolution that feeds the children gets my support..."

[-] Thordros@hexbear.net 23 points 2 weeks ago

Yellow Parenti stays winning.

[-] Chronicon@hexbear.net 21 points 2 weeks ago

Source+ a little more context for the unfamiliar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROYzHJc_V9k

incredible speech

[-] KoboldKomrade@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks, thought about posting the link but forgot!

[-] Chronicon@hexbear.net 8 points 2 weeks ago

I ended up listening to the entire speech. I had forgotten that this absolute gem was literally part of an off the cuff response to an audience question.

Someone asks basically "does it make sense for us in the US to look at the Soviet Union as a model to be followed", and he goes off on a 5 minute response encompassing 1) no, the soviet union is a very different place, very poor and destitute historically, so revolution wouldn't look the same in the prosperous US, and 2) he covers the implication about AES countries being poor with an absolutely iconic speech about comparing these countries not to the US or europe, but to what their conditions looked like before the revolution, with several detailed and exceedingly passionate examples. then 3) he gives the quote you posted about liberals demanding perfect liberty for the fascists, 4) he mentions not supporting revolutions completely unqualifiedly/uncritically, and fighting/not supporting the "reaganite" regimes that do the opposite. 5) he encourages everyone to learn more about the unique and innovative changes in political organization that come out of AES countries, and evaluate each on its own merits and choose which we might want to emulate vs which we don't want.

Quite the helpful and revealing diatribe for a very "bait"-y audience question.

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[-] Stoatmilk@hexbear.net 74 points 2 weeks ago
[-] Xx_Aru_xX@hexbear.net 60 points 2 weeks ago

not even out of context, that's the entire context

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 71 points 2 weeks ago

They defend fascists because they are fascists.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 49 points 2 weeks ago

Trans exclusionary reactionary fascist.

[-] kot@hexbear.net 66 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Terfs when Nazis talk about murdering minorities: "Guys this is valuable free speech that deserves protection"
Terfs when someone talks about punching Nazis: "How dare you! I will protect Nazis with my life"
If talking about punching nazis makes you more upset than when nazis talk about doing nazi shit maybe you're just a fucking nazi.

[-] EllenKelly@hexbear.net 61 points 2 weeks ago

>So, in order to meet my personal definition of a neo-Nazi, you have to call for actual violence

a real response I got from a terf once, turns out theyre actually huge fans of self-identification

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 20 points 2 weeks ago

michael-laugh reactionaries can't stop telling on themselves

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 58 points 2 weeks ago

Nazis threw the first punch when they committed one of the worst crimes in human history.

[-] SocialistWombat@hexbear.net 57 points 2 weeks ago

Scratched liberal reveals Nazi-sympathies

My shock: immeasurable

[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 29 points 2 weeks ago

Buh...but.......4CHAN SED LE NAZIS ARE FUNNNNNNNNNY!!111!! Murder is okay.....because FUNNY!!11111!!!!

Why do you silly non-psychopaths have no sense of humor?

[-] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 52 points 2 weeks ago

They have chosen to post through it:

cw: slur

[-] LaBellaLotta@hexbear.net 49 points 2 weeks ago

Nothing demonstrate you have firm grasp of where moral high ground is like pulling out the R slur

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 30 points 2 weeks ago

Using the r slur in 2024 is certainly a move.

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago

Man, it's a more visceral hit than I thought it would be. I haven't actually seen that in writing in a long time.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 41 points 2 weeks ago

So, the nazi freeze peach absolutism don't include communists, who would have thunk it.

[-] OrionsMask@hexbear.net 45 points 2 weeks ago

That's nice. Keep punching Nazis, including this prick.

[-] Lerios@hexbear.net 44 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

to be fair, this is just general lib shit. like, you'll find a shittonne of people who are 100% "trans rights are human rights!!! ^_^ (but we need to fund the police, blow up muslims, and protect nazis UwU)"

[-] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 14 points 2 weeks ago

we call em lawn sign libs where I'm from

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[-] neo@hexbear.net 43 points 2 weeks ago

breaking my back to let people know how much i'll publicly defend nazis, specifically, which is suddenly very important to me.

[-] TheBroodian@hexbear.net 43 points 2 weeks ago

Really fucking astounding how easy it is to become worse than the worst people on the planet

[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 30 points 2 weeks ago

I hope they never learn about superheroes.

"Oh no! Why is batman punching poor Joker!? Joker should just be allowed to commit crimes and have everyone be ok with it!"

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[-] Thordros@hexbear.net 39 points 2 weeks ago

Stalin already had a civil debate with Nazis back in the 1940's. How to handle them is a settled issue.

xi-gun-1xi-gun-2 frothingfash stalin-gun-1stalin-gun-2

[-] nothx@hexbear.net 39 points 2 weeks ago

Nazis existing is violence. Its not a matter of disagreeing with them, they don’t deserve the right to spew their beliefs, they deserve a bullet. I would punch someone’s grandfather in the face if I knew they were a nazi. No pause, no regret. Push that old fuck down the stairs and then throw his nazi uniform down there after him, so everyone knows why.

[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 33 points 2 weeks ago

No one ever defends our free speech. Therefore nazis don't deserve their free speech. Free speech is for unpopular opinions, not popular opinions.

But of course nazis are okay because 99.9999999999% of the human population agree with them.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 33 points 2 weeks ago

marx-guns-blazing We will make no excuses for the terror marx-guns-blazing

[-] Hestia@hexbear.net 32 points 2 weeks ago
[-] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 2 weeks ago
[-] Robert_Kennedy_Jr@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Not even trying to hide it.

[-] sir_this_is_a_wendys@hexbear.net 31 points 2 weeks ago

What is to respectfully debate about a Nazi?

It's not some moral paragon to 'respectfully disagree' with the worst ideologies of all time. If someone told me they were p*do and wanted to practice it, I would beat their ass.

[-] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 30 points 2 weeks ago

You have to treat them nice & gentle
Do nothing rash, they're sensitive
You must be somewhat sentimental
Respectful of the way they live
Don't let your dogs attack them on the street
Embrace the fascists where you may meet

If they should call for hate or violence,
just let them talk, it is their right
Keep your protestations silent you wouldn't want to start a fight
For fighting is what they do best
Embrace the fascists & you'll be blessed

And if they fire their guns upon you Is life so precious in your eyes?
You would be sheep with wolves around you
Why not be gladly victimized?
And if you feel inside your guts
The Nazi dagger's blade
Embrace the fascists that you have made

https://youtube.com/watch?v=CG6EYL5xsfA

[-] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

[-] D61@hexbear.net 30 points 2 weeks ago

Looks like there's two Nazi's that need punching now.

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 30 points 2 weeks ago

Nazi terror cells murdering people is apparently not a big enough "first punch" to warrant attacking nazis when they start saying heinous shit. Cool. Nice intersection of privilege and cowardice.

[-] 01101000_01101001@mander.xyz 26 points 2 weeks ago

I will violently defend a Nazi's right to out themselves. That makes it easier to identify them so I can punch them.

[-] Teekeeus@hexbear.net 26 points 2 weeks ago

Actually tito-laugh had the correct method of dealing with nazis

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 26 points 2 weeks ago

I support the right of nazis to be violently disassembled

[-] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

rapid unscheduled disassembly

[-] AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 2 weeks ago

Assaulting neofascists is merely a short‐term strategy, so I personally feel neutral about it, but defending a neofascist’s right to be tolerated is a pathetic waste of time. Our class’s conflict with neofascists is the inevitable byproduct of class struggle. Somebody getting on his knees and begging my people to leave them alone isn’t going to fix anything. One may as well beg unionizers to stop striking against their employers.

If you attack anyone, even a nazi, by throwing the first punch, you are worse than them.

This is a sure indication that the author knows nothing about either Fascism or how the status quo maintains itself.

[-] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago

Standing up to people who want to kill you makes you worse than those people akshually

Fucking what does "moral consistency" mean to these people?

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago

I'm sorry I only support violence when the police does it. Keeps all the classes in check.

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago
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