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Holy shit Jacobin is on a roll this week.

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[-] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 35 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

"why socialists shouldnt abandon capitalism"

i-am-adolf-hitler

Matt McManus’s intriguing new book, The Political Theory of Liberal Socialism

Might as well call it The Political Theory of National Socialism

[-] heggs_bayer@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago

Matt McManus’s intriguing new book, The Political Theory of Liberal Socialism

Do you disagree? smuglord

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

Liberal socialism

When I definitely know what words mean

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 34 points 2 months ago

Why slow-moving river fish shouldn't give up on bears

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 28 points 2 months ago

Jacobin more like hacks to throw in the bin lol gottem.

Seriously, though. Wtegdf?

[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago

Of course, I would never reject you guys! meow-hug

[-] Angel@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

wowee

HOLY FUCK, NO WAY, BRO

[-] miz@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago

fuck, this rag will print anything

[-] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago
[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

There is a specter haunting Hexbear...

[-] plinky@hexbear.net 20 points 2 months ago

Many liberals would agree with Ludwig von Mises that the core commitment of liberalism is to private property, and obviously socialists can have no truck with that. My response is that if liberalism really can be boiled down to little more than a fetish for property, it isn’t an inspiring credo worth allying with.

but it can be boiled down to it, brother.

The goal of socialists should be to hold a mirror up to liberals and say that they cannot achieve their goals unless they’re willing to extend liberal principles about equality and freedom from domination to the economy.

I like holding mirrors, we can hold them for another 100 years at least

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago

Liberals when socialists hold up a mirror to them:

[-] Hexboare@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Second, and relatedly, I spent the better part of the past decade reading a great deal about the Right and its main intellectual currents

I poisoned my brain and now it's broken

Also define what the "Right" is mate, cause it's usually just liberalism

[-] plinky@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

There are differences of course inside the right as subset of libs, but the unifying factor is private property, which grinds his gear probably.

[-] miz@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

hold a mirror up to liberals and say that they cannot achieve their goals

lol this asshole thinks liberals care about achieving their stated "goals" but their real goal is maintenance of private property

[-] AndJusticeForAll@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

The liberals that drop the private property bit are 99% of the time anarchists, which is still, at least this strain (i.e. Chomskyites, etc.), an underdeveloped political ideology.

[-] kleeon@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Let me guess, by "liberalism" they mean some vague shit about freedom, democracy and "enlightenment values"

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago

"I get to own capital and you get to work for me for a fraction of your labor's value, but I also tolerate gays and like weed." capitalist-woke

[-] LeZero@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

Many liberals would agree with Ludwig von Mises that the core commitment of liberalism is to private property, and obviously socialists can have no truck with that. My response is that if liberalism really can be boiled down to little more than a fetish for property, it isn’t an inspiring credo worth allying with.

But I don’t think that’s true of many liberals. For plenty of people who identify with the label today, liberalism is about securing something like a dignified life for everyone, regardless of their circumstances. The goal of socialists should be to hold a mirror up to liberals and say that they cannot achieve their goals unless they’re willing to extend liberal principles about equality and freedom from domination to the economy.

Spot on.

[-] peeonyou@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago

If liberals don’t learn from socialists and vice versa, we might not see either doctrine survive into the twenty-first century.

Written in 2024.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago

That may be a bit of a mask drop: not knowing anything else by the one that wrote it, maybe they're a "peaked in the 90s" gen-X asshole that is still chasing that "end of history" dragon.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago

"Liberals are really cool and good guys just don't scratch them, ever ever ever. And don't get in the way of their treats. And don't exist in a way that makes them uncomfortable. Skill issue." smuglord

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

Lmao western "leftists" try not to be reactionary challenge: impossible

[-] FungiDebord@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Meanwhile, Hexbear will kick and scream about [smokers rights']* and the evils of the paternalism of public health policy.

*Or the right to mindlessly consume virtually any treats without a second thought

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Oh, my leg is aching again. Is that another anti-vegan struggle session coming? meemaw

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

smokers rights

You can pry my lucky strikes from my cold dead hands

[-] AndJusticeForAll@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

We will be doing that.

Because we love you.

Now hand them over and take your first nicotine gum ration.

[-] Des@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago

u/LiberalSocialist is writing for jacobin now?

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

Next week on Jacobin:

Power dynamics.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

say-the-line-bart-1

"Do you disagree?" say-the-line-bart-2

[-] starkillerfish@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago

Yooo I wrote a comment about it here like last month.

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

Come on guys don't abandon the genocidal maniacs. We might not ever get you suckers back and then how will we grift?

[-] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

anakin-padme-2 because we should be combating liberalism right?

anakin-padme-3

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