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The fascists in DC want Ukraine to lob missiles deep into Russia and potentially kick off Russia making good on their threat to use nukes and like I said it feels like nobody gives a shit meanwhile the ghouls are in an orgy over okaying this.

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Remember to vote for Kamala sweetie because if Trump wins he'll end the war with peace talks.

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[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 72 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

They're escalating because Russia is winning at the moment. Russia just took back 175 square kilometres of territory in Kursk over the last 24 hours. That's between 1/7 to 1/6 of the total amount of territory Ukraine holds in Kursk, gone overnight. Russia has also taken over 540 square kilometres of Ukrainian territory on the Eastern front in the last month, an advance of over 18 square kilometres per day for an entire month. I think with the latest long range weapons talks potentially allowing Ukraine to use long range weapons to strike Russian territory, Russia could provide more arms to Iran in response, and more arms to the Houthis/ Ansar Allah.

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 56 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I really sincerely hope Russia wins and destroys the nazis in Ukraine.

[–] huf@hexbear.net 36 points 1 month ago

i just really really really want this to stop before it flares into ww3 and i get to die in a bombing or something

[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 67 points 1 month ago (3 children)

If it makes you feel any better, even trump as president wouldn't stop things. Under his administration, the cia and pentagon armed the shit out of ukrainian nazis. He doesn't have the attention span or the juice to change course on this.

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 47 points 1 month ago

There were a bunch of raids that happened right at the end of Obama/Biden, then we have a 4 year period of relative quiet, then this. It just feels like good cop bad cop, and they sometimes reverse those positions based on the theater.

[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago

100%. I have yet to see any geopolitical issue in which the US Congress isn't bipartisan.

[–] Iwishiwasntthisway@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago

Yeah didn't he also try to pull troops out of Syria and was actually lied to and then completely ignored?

[–] trompete@hexbear.net 59 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I have actually chilled out a bit on this. Russia is winning and this escalation isn't significant enough to change that. Russia isn't desperate at the moment, and therefore the cooler heads should easily have the upper hand against any nuke-crazy maniacs.

It's still an escalation obviously, so unless someone gives in at some point, we're all going to die. It's just that right now, I don't think the Russians have any reason to even consider going nuclear.

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 42 points 1 month ago

Thanks for pulling me back from the edge, I was kind of on it making this post, despair.

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 50 points 1 month ago

Discourse on the war in the West is so dire. In one corner, you have liberals salivating for the blood of Russians and openly bragging about using Ukrainians as expendable cannon fodder; in the other, you have conservatives supporting Russia because 1) anti-liberal contrarianism and 2) "based traditional values Putin."

[–] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 49 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I wouldn't say nobody gives a shit, reddit-logo is actively cheering on the escalation, saying that Putin will escalate regardless

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 44 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Have to love the mindset that Putin is going to act like a cartoon supervillain and only bring out the big guns on a schedule

Like he's going to unveil a Metal Gear or something

They have all the ordnance to level Ukraine to bedrock without ever putting boots on the ground

they don't want to

it's that simple!

[–] Iwishiwasntthisway@hexbear.net 27 points 1 month ago

Yeah because like, doing that means you'll never really gain territory without military occupation.

At this point they've probably won hearts and minds in Pink, Purple, and Eastern portions of Green.

[–] coolusername@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago

reddit is mostly feds. US social media is what americans think north korea is like. it's 100% controlled, same with all US media and the media of any country the US strongarms.

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 48 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You know you're cooked when fucking fascist Donald J. Trump has a better plan than Madam President Harris.

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 50 points 1 month ago

the framing from the debate moderators of a ceasefire being a ukraine loss and a russian victory is fucking maddening. that just actively helps trump present himself as the peace candidate, which he's desperate to do.

[–] AnarchoAnarchist@hexbear.net 42 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Someone on this site made the argument that at this point Trump is probably the harm reduction candidate, and Kamala Harris the accelerationist.

I don't agree entirely, I think it's safe to say that Donald Trump is very dangerous for marginalized communities within the United States. But it's really sad when his policy on Ukraine is objectively better than the Democrats.

I feel like there are only two choices This election cycle. Do I want to go to war with Iran and Russia at the same time, or just go to war with Iran?

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 55 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

you don't have to vote and you don't have to vote for a major party. it's not a magic ritual. unless you live in a swing state the only effect it will have is a stain on your conscience for the rest of your life for having affirmatively said "yeah genocide is okay I guess"

[–] AnarchoAnarchist@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago

I plan on leaving the top of the ticket blank.

Fortunately I live in a state where my presidential vote does not matter.

[–] borschtisgarbo@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 month ago

You're forgetting about JOE ✊😠 He expanded NATO 💯💯 🇪🇺No one thought he could do it, BUT HE DID☝️ Now imagine what Brandon could do with 4 years of EXPERIENCE🤔‼️ #WriteInBiden #RidinWithBiden #StillWithBrandon

[–] coolusername@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

you are forgetting trump wants war with China. it was his admin that planned and attempted the HK riots. it was so blatant https://youtu.be/XoyGc41wcwc

also if he's not lying about his 100% tarrifs for countries that "snub the dollar" that totally makes him an accelerationist as well

[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

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[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 47 points 1 month ago

I hate that I get accused of loving Putin because he's Hitler, when in the same thread there's a German ranting about how aggression must be met with strength

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 46 points 1 month ago

It's gonna be really fucking infuriating when Russia escalates and libs act like it was completely unreasonable and unpredictable when Russia has shown more restraint against the west than anyone in the west has in decades if not centuries.

Like if Russia, Iran, and China were constantly bragging about how they were arming the Taliban and encouraging the taliban to use those weapons to carry out offensive attacks against american infrastructure, would anybody expect us to show half the restraint Russia has?

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 45 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

As others have said, I very much doubt that Russia will escalate to the point of nukes unless NATO gets directly involved, and even then it might not happen depending on how things go. There's simply no real motivation for Russia to do so. Putin and his government are very well aware that usage of nukes is an extremely desperate ploy and thus should only be used if they're losing, but they're not only winning, but prospects are currently the best they've been in over a year because the Donbass front is finally collapsing.

I'm not even really worried about the usage tactical nukes in Ukraine or whatever, because what would the point be? What would they achieve that conventional explosives and attrition cannot? Ukrainian forces are already dispersed because of the threat of drones and missiles; there's not some giant parking lot with 500 tanks on it to drop a nuke on. The only thing they'd be potentially useful for are a) hitting airbases to deal near-irreparable damage to them (against what Ukrainian airforce? the F-16s aren't doing very well) and b) hitting Ukrainian cities, and Russia has kept civilian casualties very low compared to Western wars, displaying that they do not share the West's utter disdain for civilian life.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 40 points 1 month ago (1 children)

if russia leaves cuck zone, but not dumb enough to use nukes, they have escalation ladder still: satellite interception, turn off ukraine electricity, bomb pipelines to uk (via unaffiliated rogue oligarch and couple of divers, as per custom), cut internet cables, provide target guidance to houthis. With nukes there is still space/infrastructure first (minimal human victims), but i feel like conventional responses fairly escalatory for the west porky already.

(the cuck zone leaving is another question entirely for a bunch of civility libs)

[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Russia can also increase their military presence in Cuba and Venezuela

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago

That's of questionable value both to cuba and russia tbh (pointing usa at cuba and losing military equipment in some far flung spaces)

[–] Iwishiwasntthisway@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago

Even if Trump wins and wants to pull out of Ukraine he won't be allowed to. Look at what happened in Syria

[–] BobDole@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago

Who up slicing they salami?

[–] HexBeara@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago

What's the Geneva 'we're not winning so you can't use forms of affordable warfare against us while we use chemical warfare that'll harm generations to come' suggestions about the dragon drones?

[–] coolusername@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

A lot of people give a shit, they're just being drowned out by CIA botting on social media and operation mockingbird-style media control.