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Why would they stop? That's been the most effective attack they've had in a long time! Especially because it's true, and I think the Republicans know it on some level.

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[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 69 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Why would they stop?

Dems started doing bipartisant shit again so they couldnt keep doing the attacks anymore

But hey, now you have Dick Cheney

[–] Gucci_Minh@hexbear.net 42 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Meanwhile all the libs are cheering as if this was a good thing because unity or something. Yeah nah if Dick Cheney likes you you've done something wrong.

[–] BioWarfarePosadist@hexbear.net 30 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ratchet theory of American Politics strikes again.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

waiting for the day that democrats look upon cheney's as democratic heros like they do with obama; or clinton; or carter; or roosevelt; etc.

[–] BioWarfarePosadist@hexbear.net 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Gotta love that "Every Dem is basically Ronald Reagan at this point" feeling!

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[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 68 points 3 weeks ago

It started working so they dropped it. pete-eat

[–] Darth_Reagan@hexbear.net 62 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

They did, apparently new conservative advisors advised them to stop using it because it might alienate white suburbanites. Its why we've seen the vibe shift after the Walz pick. They decided to court white suburbanites and never trump republicans rather than their natural base. The Democrats love to lose folks.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 32 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Now some of the "bipartisanship" makes sense. Republicans just want to ditch Trump for that more competent fascist and then abandon Harris in 2028. Dems narrowly squeeze out a win and then the more competent fascist and other fash cronies win big time in 2028 as democrats completely let their guard down.

[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 28 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

They should just declare the democratic-republican party and end this 2 party farce they have been running for over a century now

[–] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 25 points 3 weeks ago

the democratic-republican party

seen-this-one

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 18 points 3 weeks ago

Bring back the whigs

[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 10 points 3 weeks ago

Do they have one of those in the pressure cooker? They all seem out of touch. I would expect someone who read Kapital, said "fantastic!", and was a natural public speaker to fill that role and act as an insidious ratchet turner. Instead they're like if Holsten Bloodfeast used ChatGPT to say the most average talking points of a Google search for being an asshole

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 24 points 3 weeks ago

new conservative advisors

The UK Labor Party narrowly won an election they should've taken in a landslide and sent over all their consultants to 'help' Kamabla, and they're the ones who got them off the weird shit.

Which the 'weird' thing had annoying ableist undertones but it was also working a lot better than whatever they're doing now.

Oh well, death to amerikkka, nice to see them eating shit with the new strat, the genocidal pain pigs they are.

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 22 points 3 weeks ago

"Wow everything is going great, tell you what let's bring on some new advisors and completely change course" - Rational, sane, smart thing to do
"Wow everything is going to shit, tell you what let's continue to listen to these new advisors we brought on and not listen to the people we listened to when everything was going great." - Also rational sane and a very smart move.

Dems have the best political instincts!

[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 16 points 3 weeks ago

After trump, the Republicans will find someone more palatable to run. Those white suburbanites they've been working so hard to court will go right back.

In the end they'll only alienate more POC.

[–] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 8 points 3 weeks ago

But it's gonna be Jill Stein and leftist's fault when she loses. volcel-kamala to the polls.

[–] ProletarianDictator@hexbear.net 62 points 3 weeks ago

Kamala was poised to start her Republican praise tour, so that line of attack had to be canned.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 58 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Democratic Party too busy sucking off Dick Cheney

[–] Angel@hexbear.net 43 points 3 weeks ago

sucking off Dick

This is why I'm starting my own volcel party and running against the Dems.

[–] chauncey@hexbear.net 49 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you pivot to "I will place Republicans in my cabinet" then you also need to stop calling Republicans weird.

It's been wild watching the campaign more or less retrace Clinton's losing strategy.

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)
[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 3 weeks ago

Why wouldn't you hire them. They were so incredible at getting trump elected in 2016...

[–] CTHlurker@hexbear.net 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Isn't Philippe Reines the guy who was too much of a woman-hating psycho for the Clinton campaign? I seem to recall a chapo episode that mentioned him by name as one of the "ice-chewing psychos" from the Clinton camp.

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[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 40 points 3 weeks ago

I remember hearing about it on some podcast around a week ago. They brought on a strategist from either Biden 2020 or Clinton 2016 who thought that "weird" was running a negative attack campaign. It doesn't match the vibes of Joy Reich where you can only do wholesome things like advocate for genocide.

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 36 points 3 weeks ago

Democratic party guide to campaigning

When your polls are stonks-up get rid of whoever it is that's advising you and bring in some new people from failed campaigns
When your polls are stonks-down don't change what you're doing! That will make you look weak! Especially now that you just changed advisors!

Remember 99% of politicians stop supporting genocide right as it becomes popular sopranos-poker

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 31 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They got "lol tumblr SJW" PTSD from the last time they ever fought back against racists and went back to ring-kissing republicans....who still call them tumblr SJWs.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 25 points 3 weeks ago

SJW is ancient

Now it’s DEI woke

[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 30 points 3 weeks ago

One of the most foundational pillars of American national mythology is the notion of "loyal opposition," that politics is about compromise, not about conflict. At the end of the day, the Republican Party must always be treated as a legitimate institution, so this rhetoric was abandoned.

[–] Andrzej3K@hexbear.net 28 points 3 weeks ago

It only really worked until voters got to know Harris and Walz, who are both incredibly weird in their own right

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 25 points 3 weeks ago

it turned out all their big donors are massive weirdos, so they received instructions to cool it.

[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 25 points 3 weeks ago

Liz Cheney got a standing ovation at the Copmala FireSSide Chat. They know their ideal audience.

[–] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 24 points 3 weeks ago

They brought in UK Labor party strategists who have encourage the campaign to follow Starmer's example of trying to bring in conservatives, non withstanding that Starmer got less votes than Corbyn and only won because of Tory/Reform party vote splitting.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 23 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

They ran it into the ground, and it started to wrap all the way around, becoming "weird" itself. Someone here recently commented that in their area, Libs were going around putting little [ weird --> ] signs next to republican candidate yard signs. To go through all that effort, for something so boring, is also fucking weird. Who has the time?

Waltz recently called Elon Musk a "Dipshit" at a rally. I say we just migrate away from 'weird' and just go full throttle into using language the FCC wouldn't let you use on prime-time TV to describe Republicans.

I want to hear Harris say on ABC tonight that "Republicans are a bunch of fucking stupid shitheads."

[–] Civility@hexbear.net 15 points 3 weeks ago
[–] AnarchoAnarchist@hexbear.net 14 points 3 weeks ago

Walz called Elon Musk a Dipshit.

I still ain't voting for his ticket, but I appreciate that he is willing to call out a truth we all see.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 11 points 3 weeks ago

I want to hear Harris say on ABC tonight that "Republicans are a bunch of fucking stupid shitheads."

Don't do that. Don't make me like her a little.

[–] erik@hexbear.net 20 points 3 weeks ago

Not only did they get rid of it, the guy that was the biggest target of it: JD Vance, was basically treated like an old pal by Tim Walz at the VP debate. Instead of taking Vance's obvious repulsiveness and highlighting it, Walz went into the debate and was basically like "look, he's not Trump so we can be reasonable about things," and that was about the time the party also stopped using "weird" in general. Probably related, but can't say for sure.

[–] StalinStan@hexbear.net 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It was too effective. If they raised thr bar that much the GOP could poke one of their obvious weak spots. They can both only stand up because they agree not to fight too hard

[–] dkr567@hexbear.net 12 points 3 weeks ago

Because they are busy funneling money to themselves from the donors and not giving a shit like in 2016.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 3 weeks ago
[–] Civility@hexbear.net 10 points 3 weeks ago
[–] mindaika@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

How was it “effective?” While it did make some Cons mad, name calling isn’t a viable strategy to winning, and it really just makes Libs look like that’s the best strategy they have

[–] TomBombadil@hexbear.net 28 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

They were up in the polls and now they are dead tied. Was stopping weird the only thing to do that? No probably not but their swing to the opposite of just trying to convince people they are themselves Republicans doesn't seem to be working effectively.

Except at losing

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And have they checked Twitter? None of the republicans are buying their “well shucks y’all, we’re folksy conservatives too!” garbage.

[–] TomBombadil@hexbear.net 15 points 3 weeks ago

There's like 10 guys in the country who want to vote Republican but dislike Trump enough not to vote for him. These are the 10 guys the final months of the election are spent trying to win.

Every other Republican wants the name brand uncut trump power. Why go for Kamala when you can just have trump.

Of course Kamala could still and could have spent her time trying to convince those left of her to vote by highlighting how different she is from Trump and Biden. Unfortunately she doesn't actually have many notable policy differences I suppose.

[–] SerLava@hexbear.net 27 points 3 weeks ago

It was effective because Republicans get a lot of mileage out of pretending to be the "everyman" - and since they can't claim it on economic grounds, they claim it based on pure vibes. But really anyone who's at all involved in Republican politics is actually a freak far beyond either your average republican voter, or even a center to left political freak. Their policies are incredibly unpopular to the point where if you even tell a conservative voter what the policies are, they think they're so outlandish that you're literally lying to make your opponents sound insane. It made cons mad because it was working. Then the Clinton people broke down the door and put a stop to it

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 19 points 3 weeks ago

shrug-outta-hecks They don't have policy. They don't have a charismatic figure. They don't have a cool slogan. The only things they have are name calling and promising to be more ghoulish than the opposition; I can't imagine the electorate is more likely to be swooned by the current Dick Cheney strategy than the previous name calling strategy.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 15 points 3 weeks ago

You're right on every count but i preferred it to their current right-wing pandering. This shit feels like stalking an ex on Facebook and watching them get radicalized by their new blue-line beau

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 7 points 3 weeks ago

Probably in some occasion it feels like projection on their part

[–] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
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