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stuff like "Well you call them the scum of the earth, why wouldnt they hate you"

Why are parts of the left like this? Seemingly caring more about courting the psychopath incel who wants a white ethnostate rather than stand in solidarity and antiracism with POC?

i always get disgusted and disillusioned when i come upon it

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[–] axont@hexbear.net 53 points 6 days ago

I hate that so much. "Leftists pushed me to the right." No you were always a piece of shit but didn't realize it until someone accurately called you out on it. Am I supposed to coddle people who are deliberately calling me the wrong pronoun? Am I supposed to be nice to my cousins who are active Klan members?

When I've unionized we've inevitably worked with reactionary people who have incorrect priorities. The best way to get them to shut up is show them they're outnumbered and to tell them to shut the fuck up. Bullying works.

I don't want the approval of fascists, I want them either dead or so afraid of speaking that they don't.

[–] frauddogg@hexbear.net 50 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Why are parts of the left like this? Seemingly caring more about courting the psychopath incel who wants a white ethnostate rather than stand in solidarity and antiracism with POC?

Because crackers, 'progressive' or regressive, will always bear water and run defense for white supremacy before they ever consider liberating the subjects of empire that they feel entitled to camaraderie from and companionship with. It never fails. It's the same root from which springs the perennial "we don't have a race issue in Amerika, just a class issue" out of radlibs and anarchists, it's the same root from which springs the "well he was no angel, clearly he deserved it" out of the copsuckers and conservatives.

Crackers will always close ranks around their own before they ever think about reparating or restituting. "Leftists" like Amber are exactly why I don't trust the white left, and only organize with Black formations and organizations anymore.

[–] AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Black formations and organizations

Maybe a silly question, but are they still open to other people of color?

[–] frauddogg@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago

The one I'm part of doesn't to my knowledge; but I think the African People's Socialist Party is more open to all-and-sundry tho from what I've seen thus far

[–] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 39 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Common frauddogg W.

Marginalized groups should be in charge of their own liberation. If privileged people actually want to help, they should get behind the marginalized groups and follow, not grandstand over them trying to take power and acting with a white savior complex

[–] Chronicon@hexbear.net 31 points 6 days ago

I hate that this is the connection my brain made here but recency bias got me...

A recent BadEmpanada vid contrasted the white anti-apartheid activists in south africa joining the black resistance orgs, vs the israeli "anti-apartheid" types almost exclusively forming their own little NGOs among themselves and condemning actual resistance groups.

Same shit throughout history

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 13 points 6 days ago

Malcolm X stated that was the reason he avoided working with white people and he later regretted turning away one white college student because she was like the one white person who genuinely wanted to follow black leadership.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 24 points 6 days ago (2 children)

we don't have a race issue in Amerika

I can't even imagine someone saying this IRL without getting dogpiled. fucking hell

[–] frauddogg@hexbear.net 23 points 6 days ago

Keyboards make everybody a lot bolder than they would be in grass-space

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The “common knowledge” amongst normie libs and Chuds is that America is the least racist country on Earth, and actually it is the dastardly Chinese that are the real racists

[–] miz@hexbear.net 8 points 6 days ago

cool hope they die

[–] Dr_Gabriel_Aby@hexbear.net 35 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Being a property owner and small business owner who says extremely offensive things and jokes about killing people at 48 years old…. It’s okay, he didn’t go to college, they don’t know any better

Being a debt ridden queer working two minimum wage jobs unrelated to their college degree at age 26, who thinks everyone being more polite and thoughtful would help society… you idiot, you moron, you disgusting bitch.

[–] MineDayOff@hexbear.net 32 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 8 points 6 days ago

rat-salute-2 to the Hexbear flag

[–] dkr567@hexbear.net 32 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I wonder if Amber realizes a lot of the times, those fucking white kids are the ones that instigates to the point where POCs have all the right to call them out. No fucking shit they call them scum of the earth when the other side is calling people like me c**** or the usual phrase "go back to where you're from" while we are minding our own business, but I guess we still have to coddle those fuckers for some reason.

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[–] Blottergrass@hexbear.net 28 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

She literally hates friendless online Bernie leftists more than she hates reactionaries. I've also heard her speak longlingly about rightoids, but I can specifically remember like 4 different instances of her randomly getting worked up over "leftists with no friends" like a weird fixation. Like if you're a lonely loser leftist, she despises you, but if you just turn 4chan alt right, she suddenly sympathizes with your plight.

[–] godlessworm@hexbear.net 29 points 6 days ago (8 children)

people like amber say shit like this because imo they're desperate to distance themselves from the fascist's made stereotype of left wing people, where we're all overly sensitive, "PC", whatever bullshit you normally hear. just like when someone from a minority group agrees with white supremacists in hopes that they'll be deemed "one of the good ones". i don't know why certain people are just dying to be called "one of the good ones" by the literal worst people on earth. these people ARE the scum of the earth, going around spreading hate, disinformation, cultural and social rot.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 25 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

That seems to be at the root of it, huh? The liberal idea that by not being like what the fascists say you are, you might get them to listen to you. Maybe a deep desire to avoid existential conflict, or rather to avoid acknowledging it for what it is: inescapable. She seems like she still believes on some level that...I don't know. That this can continue somehow, that fences can be mended this late in the game? That the scope of her focus hasn't been rendered qaint by how much worse and horrifying everything has gotten in the last few years?

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[–] CleverOleg@hexbear.net 27 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I remember when I finally “got” Amb3r. She was talking about Kim Klassic (a young conservative woman) and she was practically writing a love letter to her. It was weird. I then thought back to whenever she would talk about a reactionary, and she would ALWAYS make some excuse for them or find something positive to say about them. She always makes excuses for reactionaries. I stopped listening after that.

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah it’s funny cause Felix does this too but it drips in sarcasm and it’s clear he’s making a joke (nah this guy rules actually). Amber does it but with complete seriousness

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[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 24 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I've never been able to satisfactorily sum up what is is exactly that kept me from fully liking her, can't find the right word or phrase to encompass her specific blend of brainworms

Some of the people here have such a way with words that listening to them feels as clear and logical as looking at a photo, and I appreciate those people for helping me tease out the contours of my problem with her.

[–] SteamedHamberder@hexbear.net 1 points 3 days ago

We need a good gender neutral term for Edgelords. Edgenobles?

Well, I asked the other day what the deal was with her and why there's so much hate... This pretty well covers it.

[–] Firstnamebunchofnumbers@hexbear.net 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Omg whooo cares qbout podcasts theyre all slop garbage blluhhhhhh bkugg

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Except Mr. Christman, he is an innocent beautiful baby boy (please get well)

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[–] miz@hexbear.net 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

why did you re-listen to Chapo Trap House 435 - Cancel Crisis feat. Matt Taibbi (7/9/20)

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

All time banger for worst podcast episode of all time

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[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 15 points 6 days ago (3 children)
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[–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I met Amber at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told her how cool it was to meet her in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother her and ask him for photos or anything. She said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but she kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing her hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard her chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw her trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “M'am, you need to pay for those first.” At first she kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, she stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, she kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

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[–] D61@hexbear.net 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I never hear or read enough of her stuff to have fully got the anti-amber-aktion from the old subreddit or the early days of hexbear.

This comment chain has been somewhat enlightening. I'll try to pay more attention when I happen to read/hear her opine in the future.

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