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[–] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 67 points 7 months ago (4 children)

It's not that I think Russia is a free and fair democracy, it's clearly filled with corruption like all liberal democracies. it's just the misinformation about why and the utter hypocrisy and -100 self-awareness on criticising it.

  • Navalny was never that popular, nore were any of the opposition members who were "banned" (for allegedly forging signatures). Nobody contests this, just western media like to act as if he mattered at all, and will never dare admit that the real opposition to Putin is commies (even if name only).
  • Russia has not banned any of the actually major opposition parties, while Ukraine actually has explicitly banned almost all opposition.
  • Acting like it's not common practice in all western democracies to deny people from being listed on ballots due to bureaucratic technicalities. They all do it.
  • Putin's vote share does actually line up with widely accepted polls of his popularity. Russia is a country at war with a 1/6th of the world, the West, so it's little surprise to have an especially high rate now.

My constant reaction to libs arguing Putin is Hitler is "Sure whatever, now admit the state of democracy in your western country is about the same or worse and how that is the problem, Putin isn't special."

[–] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 32 points 7 months ago

Acting like it's not common practice in all western democracies to deny people from being listed on ballots due to bureaucratic technicalities. They all do it.

There are like 2 dozen candidates in the 2024 US general presidential election who will not be listed on any ballots for far less legitimate reasons. Candidates get dropped because they would make the list too long.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 26 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure the average liberal thinks this was supposed to be an election between Navalny and Putin. That's how misinformed they are.

You're also right. Putin is massively popular in Russia at a level libs can't seem to comprehend. The only major opposition he has involve the communists, but they mostly align with Putin's foreign policy anyway. Most polls show Putin with a 85% approval rating and libs will always think numbers like that are unfair or fabricated.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 27 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm uncertain if American libs can even conceptualize the idea of a popular government with broad public support. They seem to think that winning more than 55% of votes means the election was rigged and that if a government has an approval rating about 30% they're faking the poles.

[–] redline@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 7 months ago

it's polls, unless you mean the Russians are creating fake Polish people, which would admittedly be a noteworthy discovery

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

“Sure whatever, now admit the state of democracy in your western country is about the same or worse and how that is the problem, Putin isn’t special.”

Hey wait but isn't that almost a whataboutism??? CHECKMATE TANKIE

[–] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Fuck, you're right. By pointing out a second, very related problem and how fixing just one achieves nothing, I have committed the cardinal sin of whataboutism and all I have said becomes invalid cri

[–] WHATABOUTISM_DETECTOR@hexbear.net 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 2 points 7 months ago

MY GUILT IS PROVED

[–] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

now admit the state of democracy in your western country is about the same or worse and how that is the problem, Putin isn’t special

Getting this through people's skulls (in Russia too) is such a monstrous task, feels like a sysiphean labour

[–] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 9 points 7 months ago

"X country sucks, it declares wars, is full of corruption, rich oligarchs, nothing's fair and the population are brainwashed!"

"Oh yeah, sure I agree, a lot like our country, right?"

"LIES TANKIE RUSSIAN SHILL BOT RED FASH"