I am begging nerds to stop trying to vindicate the prequels
this post was submitted on 06 May 2025
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It's like that meme with the frogs in boiling water. Things keep getting worse, so the past looks better.
"Hey, remember when the pot was only half boiling? That was awesome! Way better than this full boil!"
Real. I want half boil again.
Half boil was underrated!
Calling austerity turning the gas down, bringing us back to half boil, as a treat
Liking Star Wars in general should be met with immediate suspicion. Andor good. First movie good. I accept people really enjoying empire even if I think it's just okay. Anyone who cares about anything else maybe isn't awful but there's an over fifty percent chance they are. I accidentally made a reddit on the andor board and the reply made my fucking blood boil:
Precisely why writers SHOULD NEVER EVER EVER respect the fan base. Tie in merchandise shouldn't be canon. That's insane. Is this canon then?
Are the Dr Pepper cans with Sebulba on them part of the deep lore of Star Wars? Cause it seems fucking everything is fair game with this bullshit franchise.
The thing that annoys me the most about star wars' "deep lore" is that 99% of it is the most shallow and obvious shit imaginable. Greedo was a Rodian and a Bounty Hunter - so the Rodians are an entire alien species whose culture revolves around bounty hunting. Chewbacca was Han Solo's friend and first mate - so every wookie you meet until the end of time is attached to some non-wookie by means of a life debt (which we will retroactively apply to chewie's relationship to han as well). There was occasionally something interesting mixed in there, but almost all of it was sandblasted off in order to make the franchise as smooth around the edges as possible (a process that started with that fucking cgi cartoon long before the mouse bought the franchise).
I read wooliepedia articles at work in a Palpatine voice as an ongoing work gag. I have have a deep sociological interest in the fans and the series as an ongoing phenomenon. The last time Sebulba is accounted for was on some planet which name escapes me signing autographs at 10:30am on a Saturday. This is accounted for and important
The guys in the bar trying to start a fight with Luke do have multiple death warrants across the galaxy and are not just belligerent drunks bullshitting.
You ever become so alienated you need to use an old rascist trope to explain the process of friendship and or trauma bonding?
The cgi cartoon is peak.
It's mid grade slop for children.
Synthesis: It's peak slop for children
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Mass effect 1 did that better, usually the alien squadmates are the opposite of their respective species stereotype.
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Precisely why writers SHOULD NEVER EVER EVER respect the fan base.
One of the most important things to learn as a writer. You can respect your audience, but you shouldn't ever expect them to respect you. They will always come at you with how the story "should" be, usually catered to their own specific tastes rather than anything that would actually improve the story.
Don't give people what they want, give them something they didn't know they wanted.
Exactly how it is!
That's why it was actually good that Disney scrapped the extended universe, most of it was Mary Sue fanfic tier garbage anyway.
Star Wars having a canonical Japanese mythology-inspired origin of creator gods for their universe is so fucking lame. It's like all fantasy fiction just bends towards being the same thing given enough time.
It was half Japanese to start with so that's not out of line.
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Are the Dr Pepper cans with Sebulba on them part of the deep lore of Star Wars? Cause it seems fucking everything is fair game with this bullshit franchise.
No, but I bet the stupid spherical bottles of soda they make with the labels in Star Wars writing at Disneyland probably are lol
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The simple answer is that the Sebulba Dr. Peppers arent canon for rhe same reason that the Ghorman Massacre wasn't canon: It wasnt adopted into the universe's current canon. And the fact that the Ghormam Massacre was is inconsequential. If you caught the sly reference, you can tie it into other things you enjoy, amd if not it's just a notable massacre.
This wasn't even a pander to a fanbase demand. It was just an easter egg. I personally don't care, but if it makes somebody else feel good, whatever
I was okay that they ahd their cake and ate it too. If the massacre in the show was tarkin landing a ship on em I'd have been more bummed. And for anything else it's an Easter egg, but star wars fans were absolutely stoked to see tarken land his space ship on the ghormans and would have absolutely been made had it not at least been mentioned. Star Wars fans in particular have eaten too many Easter eggs and it's partially why they're mostly frothing rabid junkyard dogs
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They can't. It gets too much attention in the attention economy. Also, instead of having a taste that evolves they'd rather use increasingly desperate online-arguments to say why everything in their childhood was good actually.
I don't get the rose tinted glasses for some things.
Like, I'm a nostalgia piggy, but even I can be like "yeah no this one can stay in the past thanks". I saw The Phantom Menace at prime nostalgia age too, like 8 years old or so.
Star Wars, Harry Potter and The Lion King are all things I used to like, but the older I get the more I kind of hate them.
Although maybe people say the same thing about things I like idk.
IP that hit you at those ages is so odd. Like I considered myself a star wars fan for a very long time but when I really took the time to consider the quality of the media, I think the only star wars media I actually truly enjoy are some of the older video games; mainly the og battlefronts, jedi academy, republic commando. I never got deep into kotor or the old extended universe books but I bet I would’ve liked those.
It’s sad because I feel a lot of the general world building and lore of the star wars universe could be really cool but it’s often so fucking bland.
I think I could've been a Star wars nerd but I learned about the Sun Crusher or whatever it's called and how they kept inventing new superweapon macguffins culminating in the completely indestructible single-man spaceship that blows up stars. Also Luke's evil clone, Luuke, and the emperor's son Trioculus, because he had 3 eyes.
And there's a whole ass novel just about Vader's left glove because it can't be enough that he stopped Han's shot with the Force, his left glove specifically is blaster proof and we have to explore that.
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JD Vance whispering tenderly to his couch: "I don't like sand. It's course, and rough, and irritating... and it gets everywhere."
and what's not fascist you ask? 
read one piece
Isn't the author's mentor a sex pest or something and te author defends him
His mentor is Rurouni Kenshin creator Nobuhiro Watsuki, who was convicted of owning CSAM. They're still buds, and I think Oda did an illustration to promote a recent RK anniversary.
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Hot take: the prequels were better, because they portrayed the decay of liberal democracy into fascism.
The only good part of the sequels that the movies do shit with it but other materials dive a little better is that: after defeating fascism, if you just make ANOTHER liberal democracy, paper clip the nazis into the government and let the bourgeoisie shit over your democracy surprise surprise you have fascism again.
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Too bad they sucked in most other aspects
The original trilogy sucked too, TBH.
Empire was the best but ultimately all of it is for children so it’s Glorp Shittos all the way down
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Andor is the first decent piece of SW media since 1980.
Hot take.
I frankly don't think the prequels are that bad and are at the same level of quality as the ~~sequels~~ original trilogy, precisely because the ~~sequels~~ original trilogy was just as corny and cringe. That being said, I enjoy both.
I agree but I'm biased because I grew up with them. I understand both positions, in fact I don't really care, in fact maybe no one should really care about treats that much
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really channeling his inner Adorno, isn't he.
Andorno
Somehow I feel that we all already knew this without it having to be said.
It's not so much about whether take was correct so much as it is extremely online
Pretty soon they'll be asking Supreme Court nominees for their views on midichlorians.
Midiclorians are actually kinda cool. The implcation is that in universe cannibalism would infact give you super powers. They don't do anything with it but that is a fun idea.
I have seen some discourse that originally Lucas had some ideas about midiclorians being parasitic and ultimately antagonistic. It is unclear how much of that was just smoking weed with Harrison Ford or how much of that eventually got scrapped and mixed in with abandoned yhuzong-vong storylines.
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Meanwhile I thought fucking a couch was the worst part hur hur hur
I respect any comrades that are simply Done With Star Wars (there's too much of it), but I still fuck with the prequels. I like the memes and I don't let a puppet for tech billionaires ruin my enjoyment of things.
My wife has never seen a single Star War, and refuses to even try to watch one. 
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a lot of kids today don't realize what the movie biz was like before streamers and Netflix.
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