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reading the list of ideologies "harmful to the global south" and comparing it to the ideologies that the global south has tried and gotten results from and drawing no conclusions

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[–] DrCrustacean@hexbear.net 65 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Incredibly funny to me that anarcho-feminism and queer anarchism are in different tiers. Like yeah dude let's start ranking liberatory struggles good idea, tell me which types of anti racism are "very cool" and which are just "aight" next

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 39 points 9 months ago

Love to rank peoples very real struggles and traumas.

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[–] HarryLime@hexbear.net 57 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

there's no way I could ever know what all those flags mean also why are they polandballs

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 53 points 9 months ago (1 children)

there's no way I could ever know what all those flags mean also why are they polandballs

Probably because a map-game brained 15 year old made this.

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 27 points 9 months ago

Probably because a map-game brained ~~15 year old~~ unpaid bureau intern made this.

[–] VHS@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's actually the flag of the Ba'ath Party in Iraq and Syria. Both it and the Palestinian flag are based on the earlier Arab Revolt flag.

(Not excusing this tierlist at all though, it's still awful)

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[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 51 points 9 months ago

97% of socialists who have ever existed are in the green verbose box

[–] BovineUniversity@hexbear.net 51 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"I like socialism until it actually exists": a tierlist.

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[–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 49 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I love how Marxism Leninism and "Stalinism" are listed as separate ideologies for some reason.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 43 points 9 months ago

The liberal understanding of ML is vibes based

[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 30 points 9 months ago

Marxist-Leninist with Stalinist characteristics

[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 49 points 9 months ago (1 children)

god damn the marketplace of ideology is looking well stocked today

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 26 points 9 months ago

But like a capitalist supermarket, it's full of the same product repackaged 15 times.

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 49 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Those ideologies that turned previously backwater countries into superpowers who became the first to visit space?

Sorry sweaty, they actually harmed those counties 💅

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[–] RedQuestionAsker2@hexbear.net 48 points 9 months ago (3 children)

It's actually sad to me how low Ho Chi Minh thought is.

Vietnam resisted US imperialism and won. They haven't been the target of such a focused propaganda campaign like DPRK or China. There's no reason to believe they've done anything wrong. No atrocity propaganda comes out of Vietnam. They mind their own fucking business and try to help their people.

And still, STILL it's not good enough for western leftists. It's fucking pathetic.

[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 40 points 9 months ago

well the thing is the fact that they successfully fought the us means they MUST have done some great evil, right?

[–] RollaD20@hexbear.net 19 points 9 months ago

100% i'm used to all the shit the other tendencies gets but i have no clue how someone who believes themselves to be on the left could possibly hate Uncle Ho. juche-tears

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 19 points 9 months ago

No atrocity propaganda comes out of Vietnam.

Clearly someone hasn't seen Rambo II

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 47 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Most of these aren't real ideologies but just being an anarchist and also another thing

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago

yeah i can't imagine being an anarchist who places any importance at all in your tendency label. like do you have a body of theory that you value? no not a page on the /r/PCM wiki, i mean something that someone who wanted to drive a stake through the heart of the state wrote.

[–] Babs@hexbear.net 19 points 9 months ago

If your ideology doesn't exist in the real world, it can't do anything bad or tankie to ruin it.

[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 39 points 9 months ago (2 children)

harmful to the global south

Chavismo

Maoism

Ba'athism

Juche

Ho Chi Mihn Thought

Harm is when you improve the country and the living conditions

[–] Torenico@hexbear.net 21 points 9 months ago

Love how all these are all unique and localized reponses from the global south yet they are damaging somehow lol. Something something civilizing mission.

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[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 34 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Making a tier list of how effectively different ideologies have been able to improve material conditions, but making it upside down on purpose.

[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 26 points 9 months ago (3 children)

social democracy in the same tier as marxism-leninism

[–] sir_this_is_a_wendys@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago

That one actually offended me

[–] pudcollar@hexbear.net 19 points 9 months ago

Juche, national bolshevism, social democracy, they're basically the same thing with different names.

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[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 32 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

4 tiers of "Hasn't made a material impact on the world" and one tier of "Has made a material impact on the world"

I'd move Anarcho-communism/syndicalism down to the bottom tier because they also had material impact on world, while moving nazbol, "unconditional accelerationism" and... I think it says Ujaman? The green one on the very berry bottom. No offense but I haven't heard of it. Anyways, move those three out of there, and lastly merge Leninism, Marxism-Leninism, and Stalinism into one, because thats just repeating yourself three times.

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[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 29 points 9 months ago

stop trying to make forms of analysis into tendencies reddit. intersectionality is not a fucking political program dog-screm

[–] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Platformism: good
Leninism, MLism, etc.: counter-revolutionary

Council communism: aite
Titoism: counter-revolutionary

Liberation theology: aite
Leninism, MLism etc: counter-revolutionary

Egoism, anti-civ: not counter-revolutionary

Make it make sense...

Also this person hasn't read any Ho Chi Minh thought, nor Nyerere or Juche theory, I would bet money on this.

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[–] WalterBongjammin@hexbear.net 26 points 9 months ago

Good = things that now exist largely as quirky choices in the ideology section of the supermarket. Bad = anything that has actually managed to win any power

Why is anarcho-bidenism not included in the list btw?

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago

i don't care this is incoherent hogwash it still HURTS to be put on the level of social democrats. brutal insult

[–] glans@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

how is "post civ" very cool but "anarcho primitivism" no bueno?

aren't they the same thing?

edit: and "anti civ"is in the aite row.

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago

"some people on twitter said that anarcho primitivism is based, but some other people said it's equivalent to fascism. i cannot be bothered to find out what their arguments actually were, and i have never actually read any critiques of civilization because my interest in the topic extends to finding a new polandball guy to draw, so i'll uncritically download and repeat both opinions as my own."

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[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 24 points 9 months ago

my brain is melting out my fuckin ears

[–] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago
[–] angrytoadnoises@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I used to think like this. I really did. Anarcho-Communism was my gateway. You can only really think this way if you don't read any older theory though.

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[–] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 21 points 9 months ago

New ideology on display here - Western Burger Thought. It's anarchism with Burger American characteristics, which boils down to the belief that since you've never experienced or seen a good leader wield the power of the state for the liberation of the working class, then it must not be possible. Ergo, the power of institutions is the only enemy of the working class.

[–] TimeTravel_0@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This image is a bit crusty, hard to read.

[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago (4 children)

sorry, this is what it looked like when i found it and i'm not looking for the original

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[–] Commiejones@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago

wait we can do this? BRB I'm gonna go do a tier list about which trees make the best lumber despite knowing next to nothing about milling and curing wood. Then I'm gonna do a tier list of all the anime I haven't watched based off vibes I get from what people who don't like anime have said.

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago (9 children)

damn shame what internet """anarchists""" do to the good name of cool irl anarchists

[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 22 points 9 months ago (8 children)

irl anarchists don't agree with MLs either. People on this site love adding "internet" or "online" before "anarchist" to excuse blatant sectarianism

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[–] allthetimesivedied@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago (3 children)
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