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submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net to c/the_dunk_tank@hexbear.net

Yes their both fascists of a decaying empire but you need to vote for the lesser fascist.

The OP is one of the semi-weekly Have you considered how bad Gaza will be under Trump? posts on lemmy.world. Obviously these people dont give a shit about Palestinians or else they'd have different priorities. So there's no point actually trying to debate them because they aren't being honest. Its just wild to see how far they will bend to the left's framing and rhetoric while offering them absolutely nothing.

I bet I can get one to say "Please vote for the turd currently sponsoring a white-supremacist settler-colonial apartheid state's genocide of the indegenious population, or else the other turd will sponsor it more." if I said it would make me vote for Biden and I was in a swing state. They're so fucking desperate. My man, that shit ain't gonna work. The jpeg of a hundred mediocre things Biden's done because you couldn't point to any one good thing was working more than this.

PS: Of course they said yes to the bottom question.

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[-] Frank@hexbear.net 64 points 6 months ago

"You have to vote for the real existing genocide because i'm afraid of the imaginary theoretical genocide in my head"

barbara-pit

They went from " vote for the lesser evil" to "vote for the lesser genocide" with so little effort.

[-] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 6 months ago

What lesser genocide? They both pledged uncritical, blank-check support!

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 17 points 6 months ago

It's so stupid, idk what to make of it. I assume most of it is bad faith, they only care about foreigners in the abstract if at all, while they believe trump will cause them real harm and they do care about themselves.

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 6 points 6 months ago

They care about Palestinians the same way chuds care about the integrity of women's sports records.

Only when it can be used as a cudgel against people they hate.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 53 points 6 months ago

They refuse to consider how Democrats will reflexively become anti-Trump as soon as he is in office, which could collapse the bipartisan genocide consensus.

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 45 points 6 months ago

Never underestimate how strong the bipartisan genocide consensus is

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 26 points 6 months ago

Fair. I'm just thinking that Trump derangement is pretty strong too.

[-] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 10 points 6 months ago

Trump derangement is based on aesthetics. The genocide consensus is structural to American imperialism

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Sure, and I think liberals will still join opposition to genocide on purely aesthetic grounds. The genocide definitely looks bad. They'll be squishy allies that fold at the first opportunity or sign of push-back, but it's a hell of a lot better than them being strong supporters.

[-] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 27 points 6 months ago

The keffiyeh is going to be so hip in 2025. All my new fake friends will be wearing it.

[-] Sickos@hexbear.net 7 points 6 months ago

Excited for a brand new liberalism emoji, but with a keffiyeh instead of a kente cloth. I think it'll be chuck Schumer in the lead this time too for some reason.

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago

Yup if Trump was president every elected dem would have "from the river to the sea" in their Twitter bio.

But it's a dem president so instead that's a terrorist slogan.

[-] Grownbravy@hexbear.net 48 points 6 months ago

voting for the lesser of two evils allows us to buy time

YOU GOT IN THE WAY OF ALL OF THAT! THAT WAS THE IDEA A LOT OF LESS RADICAL LEFTISTS WERE TALKING ABOUT AND LIBERALS SANDBAGGED AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY!!! YOU'RE NOT SETTING UP TO BUY MORE TIME, YOU'RE ALREADY BURNING THE CLOCK!!!

[-] HiImThomasPynchon@hexbear.net 32 points 6 months ago

Been burning the clock for 52 years and all they have to show for it is one Supreme Court ruling. SMH.

[-] Skeleton_Erisma@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago

I want this point to be made to every lib who acts surprised when conditions inevitably collapse and fascists dole out pogroms.

[-] Grownbravy@hexbear.net 10 points 6 months ago

The party of “history happens when I say it happens” doesnt understand it’s living through history

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[-] Rojo27@hexbear.net 35 points 6 months ago

So what you're telling me is that my only choice is what flavor of fascism we descend into? Wow, I sure do love harm reduction.

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago

Boy that sure seems like an argument that democracy is a failed system if your only choice is what kind of fascism you elect.

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[-] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 29 points 6 months ago

Liberal brain overclocking so hard that it starts to catch fire

[-] Lomifo@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 6 months ago

Trump gave me not one but two checks, Biden still owes me $20,600. Cough it up old man

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 22 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

If Trump's elected liberals will be forced to oppose "christofascism" while right now they don't oppose neoliberal fascism

The country in general is more united against Trump then it is against Biden

@Schmoo@slrpnk.net why do you pretend to oppose neoliberal fascism, everyone can see you're full of shit

[-] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago

Yo that ain't them. And don't @ the real person. The most generous interpretation of their post history is they're a legit doomer radlib.

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago

Thanks for looking out, but I'm still gonna @ them, theyre a grown up they can explain their position themself

[-] SkibidiToiletFanAcct@hexbear.net 20 points 6 months ago

Russia's election is in 2 weeks. We need to also make sure we vote for Putin also. I think he's wrong to invade Ukraine, but lets not delude ourselves that Leonid Slutsky wont be much worse! Progressives need to fall in line and declare their support for Vladimir Putin

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[-] PKMKII@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago

PS: Of course they said yes to the bottom question

Never underestimate how patronizingly condescending libs will get towards the minorities they claim to champion when those minorities get uppity.

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago

So there's no point actually trying to debate them because they aren't being honest.

This reads more like a lib struggling with the last few excuses they can muster for supporting Democrats. They're calling Biden a neoliberal fascist, after all!

This is exactly who you want to interrogate those excuses with -- they're 90% of the way there already. "I don't know, man, supporting an ongoing genocide is my red line" seems like a good approach for folks like this.

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago

And not just the one over there. All presidents have had genocidal stances regarding indigenous people here in the US.

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 17 points 6 months ago

Al this fear mongering about how terrible a Trump term will be would be a lot more effective if we hadn't all lived through a Trump term, and then watch him get voted out despite doing everything he could to stop it, and then watch dems not do anything about all the terrible things that did happen during his first term because they suddenly weren't a big deal when a dem was president.

God forbid women and Trans people lose rights and become scapegoats for everything wrong in the country and we participate in a genocide while a republican is president instead of doing all that with a democratic president as God intended.

[-] RuthlessCriticism@hexbear.net 13 points 6 months ago

As if Biden isn't the accelerationist choice.

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago

Literally.

Trump randomly derails actual fascism because somebody didn't kiss his ass hard enough, liberals want to make sure the fascism machine is running at peak efficiency.

Perfect examples democrats tried to eliminate asylum status for immigrants and suggest literally just turning EVERYBODY away afyer a certain number of people apply on one day, the most cruel policy proposed for the border to date. Fortunately Trump randomly decided to torpedo that deal because he didn't want democrats to get credit for being extra cruel on the border.

This is a concrete recent real life example of the incompetent fascists being less dangerous than the spineless fascist enablers.

[-] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 13 points 6 months ago

Desperate times ask for desperate measures. biden-leftist

[-] ForkBombRaja@hexbear.net 10 points 6 months ago

This is your obligatory reminder that a vote for a slow fascism over fast fascism is still a vote for fascism.

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[-] axont@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago

Liberals are like "Biden might be a fascist but he's our fascist"

[-] WolfLink@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 months ago

What do you think a productive use of your vote would be?

[-] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 25 points 6 months ago

Having any decrepit politician choke on it.

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 23 points 6 months ago

This question assumes there is anything productive about voting for president

[-] HiImThomasPynchon@hexbear.net 22 points 6 months ago

Kindling to light a fire under the DNC's asses.

[-] Wheaties@hexbear.net 20 points 6 months ago

write in campaign for "nobody"

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 5 points 6 months ago

We really have to come up with a common phrase.

Doesn't matter if it's "nobody" or "uncommitted" or "ceasefire" but I really wish everybody could pick one slogan to clearly demonstrate how many more votes he would have gotten if he wasn't a genocidal fascist.

[-] Wheaties@hexbear.net 22 points 6 months ago

The prerequisite question is, do you live in a swing state?

[-] edge@hexbear.net 20 points 6 months ago

There is no productive use of our votes. The choices are a genocidal fascist, a genocidal fascist, and people who have no chance of winning. However it will be funny to vote PSL or Green in my swing state and watch liberals mald.

[-] PKMKII@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago

However it will be funny to vote PSL or Green in my swing state and watch liberals mald.

Sounds pretty productive to me

[-] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago

I would like to say if Biden looses then at least one party would understand that genocide is unelectable. But thats a little too optimistic about the DNC for me.

If you actually cared about elections and Palestinians you'd be spending your time telling people to call their reps and yell at them.

If you actually wanted Biden to win you would never even mention Palestine. Every time someone makes the lesser evil argument Biden looses votes. You're not getting any youths out phone banking or canvassing to GOTV for "please vote for the lesser fascist". But the sad truth is they have nothing left to campaign on.

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 6 points 6 months ago

This is the true litmus test.

If they actually cared about Palestinians more than Biden winning they'd be yelling at Biden to stop doing a genocide.

Fuck if they cared more about winning than just supporting the status quo they'd be screaming at Biden to stop doing a genocide since people have been incredibly clear that's why they're withholding their vote.

It's really really telling where their frustrations lie.

They're more concerned with continuing to genocide muslims than they are with winning.

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[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago

Voting for school board members who actually believe in public education and local government officials that believes that funding local government is a net benefit.

I'm going to apply my same standard of "not voting for anybody currently enabling a genocide" for that race too, it's just that isn't an issue for the vast majority of people excluding Biden.

[-] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 7 points 6 months ago

There literally isn't a productive use for my vote on any scenario cuz I don't live in any of the 7/50 states where my vote fucking matters at all.

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[-] Owl@hexbear.net 6 points 6 months ago

Voting against every tough-on-crime monster running for mayor/sheriff/DA.

[-] sir_this_is_a_wendys@hexbear.net 5 points 6 months ago

Tankie has the opposite effect on me. I don't care that they call me one and it signals to me that they see a cringe ass lib.

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