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CW: Transphobia. PSA for anyone who supports trans people: Begin using secure communications like Matrix now. Do NOT wait or delay. (www.erininthemorning.com)

submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by kristina@hexbear.net to c/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns@hexbear.net

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Tennessee has recently passed a bill, effective July 1st 2024, declaring it a class-C felony to "recruit, harbor, or transport an unemancipated minor within this state" for transgender healthcare procedures, carrying a sentence of 3-15 years in prison. This applies over state lines and states that do not have anti-extradition laws relating to trans rights can extradite you to Tennessee.

Notably: the bill is vague. This means: telling stories of your own transition, describing your healthcare experiences to an open group chat, describing your trans experiences on a public website, creating trans health guides online, describing how you have gotten DIY HRT, describing anything to do with trans healthcare, even as a cis person, can result in a class-C felony conviction.

Given that being arrested in any capacity for transgender people can be an incredibly dangerous experience (CW: SV), I strongly suggest you begin caring about opsec, stop referring to where you live, use VPNs, stop using apps like Discord, and stop using social media sites that track your IP or user agent fingerprint while unprotected. Remember that for a bill like this to be challenged in court, you have to be arrested first.

Will discuss creating / linking to a transgender matrix chat so that we can help people to move off of things like discord.

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[–] Babs@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

My current strategy of "stick to the safe states" is starting to feel shakier and shakier.

I'm fuckin scared yo.

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's only a matter before a red state tries to extradite a trans person from safe state, which will comply in the spirit of bipartisanship. Or maybe they won't, in which case it will go to the Supreme Court which will rule just the way you expect them to. Fuck this depraved country

[–] IMF_DOOM@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

Maybe cross post this onto blahaj zone (even though some of the users are weird pissy freaks about hexbears posting there, it's probably important enough to get them aware of this and stuff)

[–] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

i don't even have words for this one other than yea . shit's getting worse, the dems will refuse to do anything, and unless some serious left wing labor/political org can get formed real fast real quick then there's basically nothing we can do about it

God damn America, that's in the bible

[–] wild_dog@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

To be fair, we need to be forming that serious leftist org asap for a billion other reasons but yes, I tried to get libs to care about trans rights beyond tokenizing us when I was in DSA and a lot of cis people still don't get it

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 8 months ago

For anyone curious, here's the bill in question: https://publications.tnsosfiles.com/acts/113/pub/pc1064.pdf

Apparently they dropped it being a felony in final version of the bill, it is now a cause for civil liability to "intentionally recruit, harbor, or transport an unemancipated minor within this state for the purpose of receiving a prohibited medical procedure under this chapter, regardless of where the medical procedure is to be procured." There are exceptions cut out for common carriers, the minor's parents or guardians, and anyone designated by the minor's parents or guardians and the civil action can only be initiated by the minor's parents or guardians.

I'm curious what counts as "recruiting" kids for trans health care.

[–] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I know this is serious, but I eagerly await Biden's response. He cares about trans rights, doesn't he?

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

He hasn't said jack shit while trans and their allies are systemically incriminated across the country, hexs too busy comittng multiple genocides. He hears you. He sees you. He just Does Not Care.

[–] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sooo... I could be prosecuted for being a mod?

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

probably, or just posting anywhere really

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"Your content can be seen in Tennessee. Guilty!"

At this point they'll try to extradite international posters for existing while trans

[–] neo@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

For one-to-one comms Signal is easier to get started with. Matrix requires a hosting service (or just reliance on the main matrix.org instance), or trust in a server administrator to run one. But it is good software. But unfortunately for group chat it's not as easy to get started as Discord, due to the encrypted nature of Matrix. But Discord shouldn't be considered secure or private, not really. It's just more proprietary spyware, at the end of the day.

Certainly, no matter what, no SMS.

[–] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Signal is incredibly dangerous, it's a US hosted and domiciled company, and they have a legal obligation to forward anything they know about you to the federal government if asked.

[–] neo@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't knock it until I learn of a situation where Signal handed data over to the government that wasn't encrypted mishmash or derived from side-channel that wasn't specifically related to Signal (the app or the protocol) itself. I do fully agree, however, that a phone number as a registration ID is bad.

But as it stands I don't consider the point that it's located in the USA to be fully incriminating. Just as I don't find it a problem that Matrix and Vector Creations were an offshoot from an Israeli tech company*. The protocol, and how it functions, are what matters.

*And yes, the major caveat here is that you can inspect and run the Matrix server code (Synapse or Dendrite), but not the Signal server code.

[–] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 10 months ago

Read the section on NSL's (national security letters) in the link above. Any US domiciled company must give up it's data when asked, and it's illegal for them to tell their users they were forced to do so. The Obama regime admitted to issuing 60 of these every single day, there's no way Signal isn't compromised.

Matrix doesn't need to be hosted in the US, so they don't have that problem. Using any US-hosted service is a big no-no.

[–] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Didn’t Signal recently get outed as having a back door?

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, as long as you're using a phone, you're at risk. As LLMs becomes more portable it's just a matter of time before our own phones will narc on us. Most of them already have some sort of ocr /image describer process happening on our photo rolls.

[–] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

I think that’s where threat modeling comes in. Unfortunately, if you’re threat modeling against the US government, you’re mostly relying on the laziness and ineptitude of some random LEO to not follow through on looking into you further. You can absolutely make things better, but if you get a target on your back you’re fucked. There’s a reason Snowden’s in Russia.

[–] iie@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

This will become a new form of swatting. A group like kiwi farms picks a target, collects their online statements, then sics the law on them.

[–] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

This applies over state lines and states that do not have anti-extradition laws relating to trans rights can extradite you to Tennessee.

Is there a place where I can check which states do/don't have said laws? or is that included in that first map you posted?

[–] bleepbloopbop@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

my advice would be do not count on any state protecting you. Do your best to protect yourself and those around you first. Even in those states with good laws, there is no guarantee they will cover things like: actions committed in another state, actions taken as a third party (not doctor or patient) to facilitate trans care, actions facilitating DIY HRT (could probably be treated as drug trafficking), etc.

But yeah I think that first map more or less lines up with the anti-extradition/anti-subpoena type laws that are on the books.

[–] wild_dog@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

in addition: states with good laws are only that way as long as the Democrats, the party addicted to shooting off its own dick all the time, can remain in power. I live in MO. We were considered the bellwether state in terms of electoral politics but post-Obama, we are now one of the reddest states in the country. This can happen to any of y'all bc the Democrats are incompetent and evil.

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[–] kristina@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

first map

[–] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I wonder if the weather underground is nice...

[–] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Well, the wind's blowing in the direction of "you should be armed and ready to catch some blue laces"

[–] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

If you or anyone needs help setting these things up or creating guides please reach out. I’d be happy to help.

[–] Ocommie63@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 10 months ago

Help would be very much appriciated, pls pm me!!!

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

I hope someone sues this unconstiutional law for fucking millions.

[–] Xx_Aru_xX@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

banana-duck-peeled we gotta be more secretive than ISIS online because transphobes are mad

[–] Zvyozdochka@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

Death to the United States of America.

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