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A war is raging in the Middle East, and Iran is on the brink of getting nuclear weapons.  Donald Trump is responsible for this dangerous development because his administration withdrew, in 2018, from the U.S.-Iranian nuclear deal that restricted Tehran's ability to make highly enriched uranium bomb material.

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) inspectors in Iran verified that Tehran was in compliance, but then-President Donald Trump claimed that he, the self-proclaimed “master of the deal,” would get a better agreement.

He did not. 

Of course it isn't Israel being belligerant af. It's evil Tehran and the Orange Man who are responsible.

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[-] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 44 points 3 days ago

As a nuclear war expert, Mr. Sagan should be aware that the Biden administration did not take the opportunity to get Iran back to not pursuing nukes, because that would have meant holding up the Amerikan end of the deal and ending or at least easing sanctions on them. That's why Trump broke the treaty in the first place, because Iran complying was supposed to be rewarded with a lifting of US sanctions and Trump didn't want that. And Biden didn't want that, either, and instead chose to further drive home the point that you cannot trust any agreement with the US. And these people are wondering why their empire is in decay. They think they can brute force their way through anything, and it will be their downfall.

[-] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 40 points 3 days ago

Based on the quality of the 'analysis' I can only assume "I study nuclear war" is just his way of saying "I've played a lot of Fallout"

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 20 points 3 days ago

I have 20 hours in HoI4: The New Order so I think I am incredibly qualified to discuss modern warfare. Why does everyone not just use helicopter infantry? Are they stupid?

[-] GeorgeZBush@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago

he's a guy whose reddit posts start with "Nuclear war expert here."

[-] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 39 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Do you want a President Kamala Harris who supports Israel, but has expressed doubts about the way Israel is fighting its wars today?

What did these doubts do to prevent Israel from invading Lebanon, Scott?

Do you want a President Harris, a former prosecutor known to stay calm and focused under pressure?

You mean the one whose 2020 campaign was so chaotic and disorganized staff were reportedly constantly at each other's throats? That calm and focused individual?

Everyone getting paid to write something about the election is so visibly untethered from reality that it's a miracle that gravity still applies to them.

[-] edge@hexbear.net 32 points 3 days ago

Do you want a President Kamala Harris who supports Israel

No.

Do you want a President Harris, a former prosecutor

No.

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 9 points 3 days ago

Do you want a President Harris, a former prosecutor known to stay calm and focused under pressure?

Yes she is pure evil but have you considered how professional and competent she is at doing evil?

[-] Des@hexbear.net 27 points 3 days ago

this guy brings shame to the name Sagan

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 25 points 3 days ago

What the fuck does he study anyway? There's one example in history of nukes being used and a couple examples of nukes being stopped by individual discretion by people in a military chain of command. That's it.

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 24 points 3 days ago

I guess there's stuff like various treaties to consider, but the movie WarGames taught me nuclear war was bad, so I probably have a better take than him.

[-] Des@hexbear.net 17 points 3 days ago

ive read nearly every declassified text i can get my hands on about nuclear tests, bomb effects, etc

so i guess i am one of these too

[-] GeorgeZBush@hexbear.net 9 points 3 days ago

he watched War Games a lot

[-] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Some interesting excerpts from his CV (disclaimer: I have not read any of these and don't plan to. Interpretation of my choices is left as an exercise to the reader)

"Are Belligerent Reprisals against Civilians Legal?" (2021)
"Weighing Lives in War: How National Identity Influences American Public Opinion about Foreign Civilian and Compatriot Fatalities" (2020)
"What do Americans really think about conflict with nuclear North Korea? The answer is both reassuring and disturbing" (2019)
"The Face of Battle without the Rules of War: Lessons from Red Horse & the Battle of Little Bighorn" (2017)
"Should the U.S. or International Community Aggressively Pursue Nuclear Nonproliferation Policies? ‘Yes’ Argument" (2009)
"How to Keep the Bomb from Iran" (2006)

[-] Utter_Karate@hexbear.net 19 points 3 days ago

Iran is currently abiding by a fatwa by the Supreme Leader prohibiting the production, acquisition and use of nuclear weapons. It hasn't been revoked even after the US withdrew from all agreements. They have all they need to construct a nuclear bomb very quickly, but you don't go against a fatwa in Iran. Luckily the western world is doing all it can to reassure Iran that this was the correct decision and they do not need a nuclear weapon.

[-] WeedReference420@hexbear.net 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I study nuclear war

Me bunking off Uni lectures to play Fallout: New Vegas back in the day

[-] plinky@hexbear.net 15 points 3 days ago

If its dangerously high, its due to belligerence and general inhumanity of the dems, who haven't reversed jerusalem embassy, haven't torn up abraham framework, haven't restored jcpoa and now gleefully finance genocide. And the danger comes from nazis in pissrael, who both have an ability and might get a motive soon. How about you eat shit and die, scott sagan?

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 14 points 3 days ago

Pretend i did the “isnt there somone you forgot to ask?” and its brandon and bibi saying “i want iran to build the bomb” and Khomeini is in the jesus role

[-] iByteABit@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago

nuclear war expert

So Scott, which nuclear bombing was your favorite, the one the US threw at Hiroshima or the one the US threw at Nagasaki?

Real "Smarties Expert" vibes

[-] GlueBear@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

There's a tagline about a user here that was talking about how they're a nuclear scientist at a big name university and didn't believe nuclear was a real threat.

That's my favorite site tagline.

Anyways, that's what this opinion piece is giving. Very hexbear-esqe post.

[-] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Pushing Iran, specifically Khameini, towards heavier and heavier deterrence is a great idea!!!!

Genuinely if a nuke goes off in the middle east it'll be by Israel FIRST and it'll be done with the full support of Kamala Harris, whether she is president or not. She'll likely stage a Jan 6th style rebellion to break into the oval office to press the fucking button herself.

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

bolton was the little war profiteer's puppet master and they transcend the Dem/Rep divide.

More so Trump was made viable by hillary-contempt and the Pied Piper Strategy collusion.

Trump's 2016 major briber was an AI trading algorithm company Renaissance Technologies They were also Hillary's #3 briber, and paid Bolton $3 million via the "John Bolton Super Pac" / slush fund.

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000022219&cycle=2016

Priorities USA Action (Hillary's PAC) $16,000,000

Make America Number 1 (Trump's PAC) $15,500,000

Senate Majority PAC (DNC Senate PAC) $10,000,000

House Majority PAC (DNC House PAC) $3,020,000

John Bolton Super PAC (War Criminal slush fund) $3,000,000

DNC Services Corp (DNC administrative fund) $1,218,307

National Republican Congressional Cmte (RNC House) $935,200

Republican National Cmte (RNC Administrative) $935,200

Correct The Record (DNC propogada) $500,000

bolton was the one to push cheeto-man to trash all the treaties and go to Putin to say "no more olive branches"

Both major parties and their bribers are servants of Wall Street, the Military Industrial Complex, and fascists.

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[-] whogivesashit@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 days ago

I mean to be fair, that was actually a decent deal iirc and would have also helped with the US reducing sanctions on Iran if it was still in effect.

Trump absolutely does suck for that one.

Obviously not arguing with your point about Israel being the belligerent, just adding.

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