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Hexbear started during the 2020 BLM protests, where cops were using social media and internet presence to track down activists. They are still doing this, but with less vigor than when police stations were burning down.

This included things like using tattoos on naked bodies, etsy store receipts etc.

Just before the r/cth ban, there was also a problem with chasers and leering objectification, and steps were taken to reduce thirst-posting and the like.

These things combined means that people don't post selfies or direct identifying information. People post their pets and artwork, but I know I have to make a decision about where and when I post things to make things non-trivial for cops or random chuds. I feel like a unique pet name, breed, and rough region could be enough to track someone down.

Even so, I think I'm bad at it. I feel like if someone knew me and read everything on hexbear they could ID me pretty easily (and I know multiple people in person on hexbear, but we've never exchanged usernames).

Idk if there are any hard and fast rules beyond the selfies and direct ID though. I should burn this account.

Edit: removed reference to masculinity

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[–] MohammedTheCommunistPalestinian@hexbear.net 57 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] kristina@hexbear.net 39 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Skeleton at the bottom of the ocean meme

that is exactly how I feel che-smile

[–] Ithorian@hexbear.net 49 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

My biggest opsec is just deleting 90% of my post before I actually post them.

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago

I have done that, but honestly hexbear is the one I've done the least with

[–] PointAndClique@hexbear.net 40 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

There's definitely value in spiking your posts with false data to obscure who you are and where you live. Lie about where you live or travel to, what car you drive or where you work/have worked. If you think you've revealed a bit too much about yourself, burn your account and make a new one, or better yet, gradually move from one account to another so it's harder for people to track you to your new acct. Blur out backgrounds in photos you share that may have things like licence plates on cars, shop names or street signs. Think critically about how a drip feed of PII (personally identifiable information) may not be enough to pin you as one individual, but enough yo narrow it to, say, 100 or so who may go to a certain bar or venue, or live on a certain street. A sufficiently motivated chud may think that those odds are good enough to shift from online to offline work and potential harrassment.

[–] PointAndClique@hexbear.net 27 points 1 week ago (4 children)

For example, I once was a roadie for Pink Floyd, I drive a maserati and live at Mawson base in Antarctica where I research the interactions of penguin guano on endemic moss populations.

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[–] TheSpectreOfGay@hexbear.net 38 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I used to delete all my comments on occassion. Nowadays I just add false information about my self at times

[–] MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is the way.

Am I 20? Am I 40? Do I live in NYC or Arkansas? Who's to say?

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm posting from loch ness

[–] iByteABit@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Actually I'm an ancap at heart, I work as a fintech consultant in a think tank and I believe the government should just let businessmen do business. Come at me grillman

[–] sempersigh@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That’s crazy I work there too!

Wait a sec…..

Is that you Charlie?????? I’m frank we used to huff paint behind the Home Depot before work

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[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I mean there's definitely multiple power users here who have posted more than enough to be identified by a moderately determined adversary. I think the de facto rule really is just that users decide their own level of privacy, and the no-selfies policy is mostly useless.

Anyone who has ever posted any kind of payment service handle to /c/mutual_aid could be identified by the feds if they had a reason, for example.

[–] LeylaLove@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I could easily be found by feds based on my account here, even admit to the crimes I've done on here. I actually know how to do good opsec extremely well, for reasons I don't want to get into. At some point, I stopped giving a fuck because of the negative experiences that I associate with that level of ospec are REALLY negative.

I'm also lucky that my life is pretty much protected from doxxing. With the way I live, someone could call my employer right now with everything I've ever said on Hexbear and my employer would only ask why they should give a fuck. I don't have my own lease so all public info on my potential address is wrong and only doxxes my chud parents. I'll also never get my name legally changed because I don't trust the state, so that will never concern me

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[–] abc@hexbear.net 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

i genuinely hope the cops identify and charge me with terrorism for my hexbear posts because you know what, I think this site DOES need a "stereotypical Hexbear" kind of person that'll haunt their minds and I'm willing to be that...stay tuned folks

[–] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hexbear needs its "r/antiwork mod on Jesse Watters" moment

[–] abc@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago

my /c/selfcrit post after I show up on BBC Newshour talking about Hexbear is gonna be legendary

[–] DickFuckarelli@hexbear.net 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)
  1. Use a VPN
  2. Limit personal identifying content that can be cross referenced. Example: I just got a plane ticket on Sunday to go to Bora Bora.
  3. Never post self identifying material. Example: here's my new tattoo!
  4. If you post something time related that can lead to 2 or 3, change details. Basically, lie. Example: last week I went to Bora Bora. Really it was Fiji 3 months ago.
  5. Don't give them a reason to want to investigate you. There's plenty of Left leaning folk (some of whom probably are pretty far up in corporate and/or government spaces) who quite frankly aren't worth going after. The time and energy it would take to round up people who just think differently, the opposition doesn't have (most likely).
  6. Change your profile on the reg. Personally I don't do this, or do I? (SEE #4)
  7. Go periods of time without posting. The more you post, the more you will likely have a signature in the way you post, what you post about, and who you interact with.
  8. Delete posts (not sure how effective this is but if I feel like my posts are rearing too close to #2 or #3 I'll go back and delete them).

Anyhow I just booked my trip to Uzbekistan via cruise liner where I intend on instigating the revolution by introducing vegan pilaf. During this time I will only post Kelly emoji to convey my progress. o7 o7 o7

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 30 points 1 week ago

Go periods of time without posting. The more you post, the more you will likely have a signature in the way you post, what you post about, and who you interact with.

Nice try mods, you will never make me touch grass.

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 27 points 1 week ago

Go periods of time without posting.

the-deserter I have no superiors to relieve me of my duty. You bulldozed them all to a mass grave for trying to free humanity.

[–] iByteABit@hexbear.net 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Afaik the implementation of Lemmy this is a real problem due to federation to other instances, you can post things here that end up somewhere you don't want them to and if you delete them it's not certain if they will also be deleted there as well. It's been stated for a long time but it's one or the other really, you can't have a decentralized social media without federation, and you can't have full privacy with federation. I might very likely be wrong about the specifics of this, but this should be also taken in account when considering to post something more personal.

[–] Edie@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is correct. Anyone can implement the activity pub specification (what Lemmy uses for federation) without implementing the delete parts. Sending delete to a federated site is nothing more than a "pretty please remove this"

Edit: to be fair, anything put publicly on the internet can be downloaded and saved forever, its just that activity pub also pushes (compared to normally where things are only stored on one entity's servers) stuff out to who knows which servers

[–] glans@hexbear.net 28 points 1 week ago

Electronic Frontier Foundation has a good collection of articles and guides that are not just practical but teach you how to think about your own particular situation: Surveillance Self-Defense

First thing is you need to think about your "threat model". Which means what information are you trying to protect, and why? There is no universally "best" way to do anything. Tactics that might increase security/privacy in one situation might impair it in another. Like if you are trying to avoid getting doxxed by random internet people who take a dislike to you that's one thing, but if you are trying to avoid government (which government(s)?) spying that's another. If you are trying to avoid government spying, is it to avoid legal prosecution, or to avoid covert interference in your organizing (ala COINTELPRO)? They can be totally different kinds of surveillance so you need to have different strategies to avoid them.

Also need to consider that making an extremely elaborate or onerous plan that you will never bother to actually enact, or requires a high degree of technical skill or perfect execution might not be practical. They might interfere with your purpose too much.

This page covers the basics of how to think about your own goals, fears and priorities. It's very generic but is a good overview. It's really key to think about this ongoing to avoid falling into the trap of following advise that might be perfectly reasonable for another person but counter productive for yourself.

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

My pets are the cutest but my op sec game is too strong

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[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 28 points 1 week ago

Good post and should be stickied.

The culture generally leans towards anonymity but there's some leeway for how much you personally.fond necessary. I've got a record, anything I post here really doesnt matter, it's posting consistent with my arrest record. But I still try to.be vague and keep a general culture of relative anonymity going on. I've described my tattoos but I'd never post a picture of them, I'll post pics of the inside of my house but not my house. If you go through my lists it's pretty easy to tell.ehat city I live in but I've never explicitly said so. I'd say probably my piss poor level of personal security is thr bare minimum and I'm a bit internationally sloppy cause if feds are looking me up.its gonna get a we'll established file and it's a waste of their time. Others, maybe not so much. Just be cautious, there's people out here to whom jail is less of a big deal. Be a cautious cat as standard practice.

[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The first rule of hexbear is to not talk about hexbear. peppino-square-up

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[–] TheDrink@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I know I'm bad about it. I delete my account every couple of months but I bet a dedicated person could track me down based on my posts.

Though I'll say that in the real world I've gotten more guff for not having a mainstream social media account than for openly expressing my communist views. Even lost a job offer over it once (though I consider that a bullet dodged) because I had shared with them my linkdin acct that only has my resume and they wanted to check a Facebook acct that I've never had.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Imo it's good to raze the account every year or so. I've been lazy and have let this one go for way too long

The thing that creeps me out most now is the availability to feed all our posts into LLMs. The tech exists now most likely to tie burner accounts together and form a more complete profile, so it's not just what you put in an individual account but all of them. Not for chuds but for cops. I'm not even doing anything illegal but if at any point there's a commie roundup, well...

I think I'm gonna join the bureaucracy next for another layer of opsec.

[–] kittin@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I delete my account whenever I make a really bad comment and want to avoid the heat, or when I smoked too much weed and got paranoid.

So about every 3 months.

[–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago

or when I smoked too much weed and got paranoid.

Weed paranoia is the key ingredient to robust OpSec tbh

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Give yourself brain damage every year to change the way you type. Or just switch between using 'favorite'/'favourite', 'color'/'colour', etc between accounts.

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

Only speak Toki Pona one year, only speak Esperanto the next...

Sent from Mdewakanton Dakota lands / Sept. 29 1837Treaty with the Sioux of September 29th, 1837

"We Will Talk of Nothing Else": Dakota Interpretations of the Treaty of 1837

[–] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

When will someone scrape hexbear to train the ultimate TankieGPT

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[–] Rikj000@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 1 week ago

For voicing your opinion about activism,
I'd recommend to at least use:

  • A burner account,
    do not post your opinion through your daily account.
  • A paid, no-log VPN or Tor when posting.

Above should cover the needs of most people.
But if you think you're a high profile target,
then following would also be smart:

  • Alter you writing,
    do not post in similar writing as your main account, e.g. if you usually capitalize each sentence, don't, if you usually use emoji's, don't etc etc.
  • Use a privacy oriented OS to post on,
    e.g. no Windows, no Apple, no closed source Android fork, but do use QubesOS, or TailsOS, or GrapheneOS.
  • Only use chat clients with E2EE (End to End Encryption) and without identifiers, e.g. SimpleX.
[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I throw in a few lies here and there to keep em guessing.

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago

Roleplaying as an argie fredo is fun sometimes

[–] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is also my strategy, it's good to always be practicing such an important survival skill. saul-your-honor

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[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Remember. We all live in Liberal Mt.

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[–] Opsec_Organizing@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago

Hey look it's the post that caused me to make a hexbear account

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

Honestly it's pretty much impossible to be anonymous these days anyway so I guess I'll live fast and die young shrug-outta-hecks

I do lie a lot though, I find that helps.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think of it as; They might be able to find me, but if i can make them use up resources finding me that's less stuff, people hours, resources, attention t hat they'll have to find someone else. We might not be able to hide from them, but we can make it expensive to find us.

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[–] FumpyAer@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

One thing that I've thought about:

My phone and many others automatically sync their photos and downloaded images to my Apple or Google account. If the feds thought an account was yours, that would be an easy way to confirm it.

[–] TerribleHands@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I'm a strong advocate of regular account restarts. I've probably been through 20 since the site opened, due a new one now really.

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[–] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago

My OpSec has been lacking recently across all social media. I need to set up a new internet identity entirely but I'm too lazy for that.

[–] propter_hog@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago

In addition to this (and because of the inevitably of just flat being honest when posting) I have a tendency to 1.) add deliberate misinformation occasionally to poison the info (like saying I grew up on the west side of Philly, just spending most of my childhood days shooting basketball with the boys), and 2.) burn accounts after enough time has passed. My current one is long overdue for that treatment.

[–] Des@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

i can't give this account up. i have alts but meh.

had to grab that 3 letter name.

i don't communicate like this anywhere else on the web nor have i ever (or have i???)

so yeah pick a unique style and make it different. also be vague and lie lots.

there are a few people here i trust. we've shared some mutual info so i guess mutually assured destruction or some shit. but yeah i wince every time i see a real life selfie

here's an idea: make a selfie but have it be AI generated

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[–] SuperZutsuki@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't think there are any rules, just recommendations. If a person is already publicly known, it probably doesn't matter if they keep being open about it here.

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[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 week ago (11 children)

The thing i personally think people should be focused on is compartmentalizing their internet activity. Cross-site tracking is pretty much everywhere these days. So if you have a twitter, instagram, lemmy, reddit, pintrest, whatever it is you do online. If you do not want your activity on lemmy to be linked back to those accounts you should be using a different browser for lemmy, preferably something like Librewolf. Privacy focused. If your really feeling paranoid go ahead and use TOR browser to login to lemmy. Assuming they dont block TOR connections here I've never tried.

Burning your accounts not a bad idea either. Back when i used reddit id make new accounts regularly and never use the old ones again. With lemmy i dont bother tho. Even if you make a new account regularly on a site as small as this its pretty easy to see if an account showed up around the time your old one went inactive and then followed all the same communities your old one did. Not a big assumption that is your new one then. the way you type, and words you use can also be fingerprinted and used to ID you across accounts. Of course you can take steps to prevent this type of tracking too if you want.

If what you want tho is to not get some chud sending you death threats thats pretty easy to accomplish. Make yourself a new account, dont post any personal photos, and only give very vague information about yourself. For example, How old are you? I'm in my 30s, 20s, etc. Dont say the exact number. Whats your name? Its Xiisadaddy as far as your concerned. Whats your gender? Irrelevant need to know only. Chuds arent that smart. They can only find you if you hand it to them on a silver platter.

Now let me see if i can find out some info about you from this account: Based on your profile just a quick glance tells me, your a woman, live in australia, seems like maybe you or someone you know was in the military, you live in an area with public transport that isnt good, a food desert, your landlord has a meth test cause in your lease, probably live in an apartment building, you have a niece, and siblings, and are autistic. I'm guessing late 20s, early 30s? Took me maybe 10mins to get all that. Don't feel like putting in more effort, but yeah id say you need a new account. Thats some pretty specific stuff an internet stranger just found out about you in 10 minutes. (reply to this and let me know if you want me to delete this comment btw so its gone too if you decide to get rid of your account)

Funnily enough ive been considering making a new one too this might be what pushes me to do it.

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