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[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 1 day ago

Lmao this is hilarious. The mods removed (highly upvoted) comments that were pushing back on the post, including deleting the comments of the only person who actually met "tankies" irl.

"Anti-authoritarians" and suppression of "free speech", name a more iconic duo. Shit spins like clockwork.

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Tankies aren't anywhere near the levers of power fascists are. You'd think a mfer could keep their eyes on the prize but- well here we are.

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Hey not trying to belittle you, English isn't my first language so I understand making errors and being frustrated by corrections, but I feel the need to tell you it's "levers" not "leavers"

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And some people here thought we should refed with blahaj after the drama with /c/196 lmao

[–] combat_doomerism@hexbear.net 27 points 1 day ago

anticommunists continue to run wild on an instance run by an anticommunist, what a surprise (/s)

[–] YangJingyu@hexbear.net 45 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Recently I have been thinking over why I find this sort of liberal anti-communism so pathetic, and I think its because there is something particularly aggravating about being scolded by a person whose level of ideological development so closely resembles a past version of myself.

If you are an atheist, you have probably encountered the specific form of anti-atheist propaganda wherein which a religious person will say something like "I used to be an atheist, I was so mad at god every day and hated him, but then I found blah blah". These anecdotes usually make me want to laugh; its obvious they were never former atheists, and are simply (and sloppily) trying to create a strawman atheist to convince you of how bad it is. The point im trying to make is that there probably aren't a lot of serious atheists who go on to convert to religion; its a cognitive step that, once made, is hard to take back.

The argument I am trying to make is that being a communist is the same thing. If I asked you to show me a committed, well read marxist-leninist who decided to become a liberal, I imagine you would be hard pressed to find one. I specify "committed" and "well read" because I'm sure some lemmitor would counter-argue "But I loved to play the soviet anthem out loud on the school bus when i was in middle school, and now I love Joe Biden!". However, if I asked you to show me a committed liberal who became a communist, many of you would raise your hands, as would I!

And this is sort of the crux of the point im trying to make. Its really frustrating seeing the smugness of these individuals with regards to their hate for tankies, because I see myself in them. I know that they are literally just who I was in high school; before I had read any communist works, before I had tried to study history, etc. When I see a particularly arrogant comment from one of them, I cant help but imagine my 16 year old self saying it instead, and I just want to explain to him that he is literally just a version of me that knows less about the world, and that therefore his smugness is unwarranted.

I would like to find a way to explain this to a liberal that isnt too condescending, because I imagine it could be a powerful source of doubt for their neoliberal beliefs. Something along the lines of "I reached your level of political development many years ago, and surpassed it. You, on the other hand, were never a communist, let alone did you "surpass it"", except thats incredibly smug redditor speak and I think it would aggravate someone too much for them to process it. I used religion as the blueprint because thats where I have obviously seen this dynamic play out the most; if any of you are formerly religious and were convinced to stop being religious by a person who once belonged to your religion, maybe you have a useful anecdote for how they were able to arouse doubt in your beliefs without insulting your intelligence.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 6 points 15 hours ago

This hits on something I feel very keenly, and have boiled down to "I've been where you are, you've never been where I am."

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago

if any of you are formerly religious and were convinced to stop being religious by a person who once belonged to your religion, maybe you have a useful anecdote for how they were able to arouse doubt in your beliefs without insulting your intelligence.

I'm Catholic, was before my radicalization and still am, but obviously had a lot of homophobia and transphobia to unlearn. More relevant to this question though, the way I thought about Marxists before I radicalized had to change, and while I still don't use the label Marxist I'd say I use Marxist thought to analyze basically all social phenomena. I think the critical thing for me was understanding that the conflict between Communist states in history (and to some extent, the French Revolution) and religion didn't stem out of the left's hatred of religion, but out of the Church's resistance to social change. I had to understand that the Church was kind of a load-bearing structural member of the social order and legitimized all the oppressive institutions, so naturally the radicals who aimed to abolish said social order needed to take measures against religious institutions. If I could talk to myself before I was politically conscious, I'd tell him that he should consider that the way things were arranged in the Russian Empire, Feudal China, France, etc. the only possible way to get the masses to throw off their shackles was to attack corrupt religious institutions that were literally conspiring and collaborating with the secular states to keep peasants down. That the violent measures that I was taught about were used as a last resort, and were only a reflection of the violence that the overthrown institutions had used liberally for centuries.

As to how this pertains to anti-authoritarian leftists, I think you could modify this argument a little bit, and apply it to whatever they think authoritarianism is. "Tankies" don't want to use authoritarian tactics because they hate freedom, or because they want to restrict individuality. They want to use those tactics to achieve the same political goals as all leftists: to abolish capitalism.

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[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 47 points 1 day ago

I love how the only person in there who has actually met tankies online says that the don't mind tankies because the were all queer and opposed capitalism/colonialism

Literally everybody else in there is fighting against ghosts. As much as our lib hate can be unhealthy, at least we have met such people irl (unfortunate, I know).

[–] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 48 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Radlib on the train to the camps labeled "tankies"

"Excuse me, mr Nazi, sir. I think I'm not on the correct train I'm not a tankie I'm a real communist"

[–] Lemister@hexbear.net 35 points 1 day ago

Radlibs do not get send to the camps, they sit in the Reichstag singing Deutschland Deutschland über alles with the fash themselves.

[–] WittyProfileName2@hexbear.net 50 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Papering over anti-fascist art to make it be instead about a nonsensical anti-communist vendetta?

It's liberal time!

[–] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 26 points 1 day ago

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[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 66 points 1 day ago

"Do you see anyone tolerating fascists in here??"

right-arrow every comment is about the double genocide theory left-arrow

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 39 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

90% of online leftism is plauged by the fear of coherent tactics or strategy.

Yes, we will (critically) support any means to enable the ends we want.

And yes, that involves teaming up with unsavoury characters at times

It involves with dealing with the messy transition to socialism (which is not a pure ideal that can be implemented simply because "I wanna")

And most importantly, it involves using violence to defend revolutionary gains.

I would much rather we win the climate wars rather than die to roving bands of fascists militants/states looking to hunt minorities.

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[–] Edie@hexbear.net 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The post was deleted?

Edit: LMAO, OP got banned with the message "no tankies"

Edit 2: OK, it was accidental

[–] gramxi@hexbear.net 25 points 1 day ago

lol makes me think they don't read what's being reported if you just give the reason as "tankie"

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 day ago

Of course it's the person who took over liberty hub after Ada let trolls drive off the comms mod team

[–] FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 87 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Musk is doing the Nazi salute inside the Capitol while on live TV, and the thing they are worried about is tankies? Wild.

[–] Edie@hexbear.net 66 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Liberals and focusing on communists while facists are taking power and being a 100x threat than even their made up communists are.

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[–] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 47 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

We're such a threat to these Vaushite radlib clowns when we have no influence or power in the West, while fascists are actively winning elections everywhere. Shows you how deeply unserious they are about their "leftism". funny-clown-hammer

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 41 points 1 day ago (8 children)
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[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 50 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I wish one of them would wander in here so I could ask a question:

(gonna focus on American politics here but this maps to other Western contexts) Obviously if you're an anarchist/radical liberal/whatever you have a lot of disagreements with the "tankies." I'm gonna assume a tankie to be someone with the views of Vijay Prashad, Losurdo, Parenti, something in that vicinity. They want a socialist state to oppress the bourgeoisie, while still maintaining some capitalist production relations as a means to develop productive forces (obviously some anti-Dengists will disagree here, but you know, general vibes). That's a reasonable ideological disagreement. But here's what I don't get: the difference in what you aim to achieve is meaningful, but still quite small; whereas the difference between your goals and the Democratic Party's goals couldn't be more different. You want to abolish all unjust hierarchies, right? How can you be so hostile to "tankies" that wish to preserve like 20% of the unjust hierarchies you dislike, but vote for the Democratic Party which is actively preserving 100% of the hierarchies? If you have any principles at all, why are you so hostile to "tankies" yet you seem to be quite comfortable with a political party that is actively committing genocide. Are tankies not an even lesser evil? What reasoning could lead you to think that they aren't?

[–] Terrarium@hexbear.net 46 points 1 day ago

The people throwing around "tankie" like this are nearly universally unaware of even their own stated political theoretical background. They hold these views because they have absorbed liberal anticommunism, including the anticommunism that their ideological predecessors absorbed and published about, like anti-Soviet propaganda that some US anarchists embraced in the 30s. Generally speaking, their complaints are not based in any coherent criticism that is actually rooted in political theory. So their entire complaint is often as ridiculoys as labeling people as authoritarian and leveraging this as a thinking-terminating cliché and throwing a tantrum when the absurdity is pointed out.

For example, there are several comments in that linked thread that are blanket declarations against hierarchy and calling themselves anarchist. There haa never been an anarchist collective that actually did anything that did not have hierarchy and being blanket opposed to all hierarchy is not, historically, an actual anarchist position. Instead, they have historically embraced a critique of hierarchy and seek to dismantle those that are unjust and most oppressive is the common theme, e.g. fighting capitalists and capitalism.

These are the "anarchists" that are just liberals with an aesthetic, not our comrades that work to dismantle oppression. They are appropriators of the tradition and are even hostile to it when you aak them to read about it. Hell, they complain about the Red Army's suppression of Makhnovschina but get angry when you suggest reading publications by those in the Black Army when it doesn't completely support their anticommunism.

They can be reached but I've only seen this irl when actual anarchists correct them.

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[–] AntifaSuperWombat@hexbear.net 71 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The .ml instances are meant to stand for “Maoist/Leninist” so you’ll see a lot of tankies from those .ml instances…

marx-doomer

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 64 points 1 day ago

i-love-not-thinking 79% literacy rate strikes again

Also it's Mali peltier-laugh

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[–] kfc@hexbear.net 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Commenting so this doesn't sit at 88 comments

[–] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Lotta 16 year olds in that thread

[–] doomsdayrs@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago

Do not ceed to ageism.

Simply a hand gesture to their lack of experience is valid, but to base it on age perpetuates an age old oppression of youth.

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 37 points 1 day ago

Famous Skrewdriver enjoyers, tankies

[–] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 55 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Amazing replies (emphasis added):

If anyone wants to argue. Both want an oppressive rule that brings about very great gains to the society. Certain parts are eradicated.

All in the name of greater good.

More importantly, oppression magically skips over them.

Yes, that is fascism. Funny you ask.

The post is about removing tankies from the community and that's justified partly on the grounds that tankies what to remove certain parts of society (fascists, counter-revolutionaries).

They're trying to do the liberal thing of calling a particular action bad )while ignoring the target of the action)...and at the same approving of the action when their community does it.

[–] StillNoLeftLeft@hexbear.net 7 points 18 hours ago

Great point. What I think is interesting too is that the Fedi itself, with its moderation (AuThoritarianizzzm) is a decentralized way of doing social media and it still has/turns into hierarchies.

It also ends up creating many unintended problems like these sorts of leftists defining a thing and factually suppressing discussions about it. So there is a lot of oppression in this decentralized supposedly anarchist way of organizing the internet commons. And when you claim your system is not hierarchical and has no issues, you never have to address the issues because you can always claim they don't exist at all.

[–] TrashGoblin@hexbear.net 57 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: "theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you fucking moron"

[–] IvarK@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 day ago

This quote goes so fucking hard lmao

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