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[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 81 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was reading A Christmas Carol again and I think Ebeneezer Scrooge might actually be the bad guy? Like I thought he was good because he lives in a mansion and can sleep comfortably at night. The ghosts are clearly the bad guys because they're trespassing and violating his castle doctrine to show him all the non-woke things he did. It kinda reminds me of cancel culture and how saying the N-word a few times results in a bunch of social media ghosts bringing that up in future arguments. I used to read that and want to shoot the ghosts with the guns under my pillow which Scrooge would have done if I wrote the book. But I guess he's supposed to be the bad guy because they're actually showing him consequences of bad things he does? Like Tiny Tim isn't supposed to die because he can't afford health insurance?

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[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Judge Dredd is a great comic ruined by chuds with no media literacy.

Although this guy somehow also thinks the Galactic Empire were the good guys, so definitely extra high concentrations of Hitler particles.

[–] TrashGoblin@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I see so many empire logos and stormtroopers on the rear windows of cars around my town. debord-tired

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There's a group of nerds who go around cosplaying as stormtroopers. They are indistinguishable from confederate reenactors.

[–] simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 1 year ago

They cosplayed so hard that Star Wars made their fake unit name canon, then made them Vader's elite unit. Hard to spin that into anything good.

[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

wojak-nooo nooooooooo they do shows for charity noooooooo they cant be fascists!!!1

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

extra high concentrations of Hitler particles

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[–] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 57 points 1 year ago

I'd say I def fall into the Conservative side of the spectrum

I never would've guessed.

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Okay, so the Judge Dredd thing is boilerplate fash stuff, he fails to get the satirizing, but I’m more perplexed with his take on Star Wars. It’s very explicit throughout the series that there’s a seedy criminal underworld in the galaxy that the empire is at best unable to contain meaningfully, at worst is actively utilizing when convenient. Jabba’s operation isn’t exactly a secret yet the empire clearly lets it slide. How the hell does he get “peace and justice” out of that?

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not even an organic take to have!

Nothing the Empire does is good!

They're openly shown to execute civilians, oppress damn near everyone and even BLOW UP AN ENTIRE PLANET WITH PLANS TO KEEP DOING IT!

The only way you walk out of Star Wars thinking that the Empire are good guys is if you are a literal fascist!

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Of course they’re horrible. That’s the fascist mentality, a little genocide is worth it to make the streets clean and the trains run on time. But the empire didn’t keep the streets clean, they were horrible at it. This dude just sees someone with a badge cracking skulls and automatically assumes that means crime and injustice aren’t a problem.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's also a shitload of crime in Mega-City One and the fascist enforcers who hold all the legal power are pretty much all shown to be massively corrupt, so lol and also lmao.

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[–] drinkinglakewater@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"I've been evil since birth, is this perhaps bad?" thonk

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Adults who derive their morality from legality will forever be children to me

Some 20-30 year old manchild is gonna tell me they think "the law was a solid rock in a sea of chaos" in defense of a piece of media which was mocking all of that with a straight face?

Then again, he is a self-admitted conservative, maybe it should be more impressive he reads things that aren't InfoWars or gun fetishist magazines

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

This is why you can not under any circumstances make fascists look cool in your art.

If you make fascists look cool and enjoyable to ride along with, people will want to imitate them and will absorb every complaint you have about them into their identity.

Any critique of fascists must start with the fascists being absolute clowns. They should not be "cool".

[–] Smeagolicious@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It sucks because I actually like having cool villains in my fiction. It can make for visually interesting and exciting conflicts, or make the evil instantly recognizable. Ngl I really like the look of the empire in star wars, but I hate that it’s only damn filthy tankies (and those neo marxists taking over universities ofc) who seem to be interested in critically analyzing media and can separate interesting fictional aesthetic from, yknow, actually supporting fascist ideas.

The libs/chuds ( same-picture ) can’t be trusted to not slobber on even fictional boots

[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You can absolutely have a ferocious, scary fash villain. Fascists don't need to literally be Mr. Bean to be a clown. Have them obsessed with something that would otherwise be benign. Have them feel some lack from a failed purity test (i.e. being It*lian and feeling like you're not white) rot their soul from the inside and torture them. Maybe a powerful mage in an all black military uniform who's self-conscious about going bald. A skinhead with a legendary weapon who shaves their teeth until they're all sharp and gets an infection of the mouth. A powerful tycoon whose project is a natural order that is obviously based on fictitious pretenses who has fooled an entire army who refuse to get out of Plato's cave. An elusive, beloved bard who conditions victims to believe that society is full of drones and his victims can do nothing but repeat what the bard has said uncritically. You can give a villain a fatal flaw allegorical to being fash that both makes them look like a clown and doesn't preclude them from being aesthetic.

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[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

I've been told many times that chuds will always idolize the nazis in fiction, but I don't ever see chuds idolize the nazis in The Producers. the-more-you-know

one of the most annoying aspects of nazis is how funny they think they are

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

whenever a guy like this is posted here, I'm always like "Oh yeah, this guy is obviously doing a bit, why are people here falling for satire so blatant?" and then keep reading and it turns out that the person is not, in fact, doing a bit

for every person here who pokes fun at our inability to see when people are being satirical, there's a guy on reddit who not only thinks that the Empire in Star Wars were the good guys. And not even in an edgy way - he literally thinks that the intention of the films was to show that the rebels were bad and the Empire is good

[–] Tastysnack@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

If its parody then it had to have a source

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[–] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the empire literally blew up a planet in their opening moment

[–] EmotionalSupportLancet@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Where did he get Justice vibes from Vader? Like for real, what the fuck.

[–] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the dude strangles people on a whim. maybe justice is just a word he instinctively reaches for to justify any authority figures brutality

What too much Ragnar Redbeard does to a mf

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[–] WoofWoof91@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

one of the first actions we see the empire take is blowing up an entire planet to make one prisoner upset

[–] jack@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't think so? I'm pretty sure I'd remember if the Empire was evil.

edit: source?

[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago

in a just world this would get him admitted into the gulag

[–] HiImThomasPynchon@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Wait there's a thread going on about 2000AD and nobody told me, the inventor of 2000AD Drokkposting?

2000AD LITERALLY DEPICTED THE EXECUTION OF MARGARET THATCHER IN THE FIRST ISSUE! IT'S ALWAYS BEEN LEFTIST!

[–] Red_Eclipse@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Wow it does? ❤️❤️❤️ I've never heard of 2000AD, sounds really cool

[–] HiImThomasPynchon@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

With the exception of a particularly dark stretch in the mid-90s, all of 2000AD is good. There's a series they do on YouTube called 2000AD ABC, where they give an overview of a bunch of notable series that ran in its pages. I recommend it if you're interested, but nervous about getting into new comics.

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[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

Such is the wages of "these are the bad guys, but let's make them as appealingly awesome and epic as possible" storytelling. yea

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

Just finished 1984 and I'm starting to think that Oceania and the party are supposed to be the bad guys

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've always been an Empire guy

100% a bit, no question

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[–] booty@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

this person should be locked up for everyone's safety

[–] edge@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] SootySootySoot@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Judge Dredd vs Death was an amazing PC game, aside from neat mechanics and a full co-op campaign, a core gameplay mechanic was fabricating charges against all civilians in your path to arrest them. You were so obviously deliberately a bad guy in that regard it was a sledgehammer on the nose.

It kinda taught me from a young age just how easily cops can make shit up for any reason.

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[–] MoreAmphibians@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He doesn't even have the excuse of 40k fans, where the writers have forgotten that the setting is supposed to be satire.

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[–] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I detest the whole idea of BLM... It's all built on lies but with perhaps a breadcrumb of truth.

Ah yes, "perhaps" there's a "breadcrumb of truth" to the idea black lives matter. And these are the people libs want to entertain.

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[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

HOW DO YOU READ THE ISSUE WHERE DREDD SENTENCES A CANDYMAKER TO EXILE IN DEEP SPACE BECAUSE HIS CANDY WAS TOO GOOD (without having any sugar or other illegal things in it btw) AND THINK "YEAH, THIS IS COOL AND GOOD!"?

[–] idiotdoomspiral@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This reminds me of when I realized that Rage Against The Machine was a heavily political band and their name had meaning. It was a weird moment but I went from liking them to absolutely loving them. Same thing with System of a Down lol.

I was a teenager, this guy is at least 50.

[–] Tastysnack@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Remember when all the chuds worked out at once that Rage were left wing and seethed on twitter and facebook

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[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did one of the movies have Dredd realize they were on the wrong side of things or am I thinking of a totally different franchise?

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, because there's only two Dredd movies and nothing like that happens in either one. The Stallone movie doesn't really even portray the judge system as explicitly bad.

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Stallone

lmao, I might be thinking of Demolition Man.😅

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[–] WalterBongjammin@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

This is Gen-X media literacy excellence

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