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[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 61 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Oh this shit again

THE ENTIRE POINT OF FRANKENSTEIN IS AN ALLEGORY FOR THE ACT OF CREATION

FRANKENSTEIN MADE A LIVING THING WITHOUT CONSIDERING THE RESULT AND IN DOING SO, DROVE HIS CREATION TO ACTS OF MALICE AND MADNESS!

WE ARE ALL MADE VICTIMS, WE ARE ALL MADE MONSTERS!

[–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 38 points 1 month ago (1 children)

wow WOKE nerd actually READS BOOK

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 26 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I was reading chapter books when I was 5, I had to do for myself what my USAan schools refused to

[–] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That's because the USian schools were trying to teach you the winners mindset of delegating your readungs to some egghead at coles notes.

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[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Did I request thee, Maker, from my clay

To mould me man? Did I solicit thee

From darkness to promote me?

[–] HexaSnoot@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I thought this was from the story of the Golem.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

It's actually from Paradise Lost by John Milton, Adam says it when he is becoming defiant towards God. It's quite a sad scene and a generally tragic story, but it's my favorite piece of literature. I've never read Frankenstein but I know it's quoted on the title page so thought it was fitting, even though I don't think Milton really thought we were created monsters as much as we become monsters but that's a different question. Even Satan laments and regrets his defiance and secretly admits to himself that God wasn't unfair towards him.

I'm not sure if Milton was influenced by a line from the story of the Golem though.

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Whoa was Frankenstein actually antinatalist???

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago

More about parental responsibilities really

If Frankenstein had cared more for his creation, then his creation wouldn't have gone off the deep end

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 42 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I fucking hate Western politics. This culture war shit is just brainrot

[–] your_moms_account@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago

This comrade gets it

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The woman writer made Frankenstein woke, this is why they should've hired fans

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[–] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 29 points 1 month ago (3 children)

...did they read the book?? You cant really help but feel bad for Adam (he called himself Adam at some point, been a while). He was absolutely right to wanna kill Frankenstein, Frankenstein created him and then was fucking awful about it

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago

orphaned child rejected by society and parents

this says a lot about science and creation of life over-your-head

(i also remember feeling very bad for the guy)

[–] your_moms_account@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's almost exactly what we call an 'incel'

Rejected by everyone, gets real mad and violent about it

[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Rejected on account of inhumanity though - it's more like a racial spurning than him being a malcontent. Initially, he tries to be kind, even though he was been brought into the world lacking a real parental figure.

Frankenstein himself was much more of an entitled shitlord.

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[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago (14 children)

The difference, I suppose, is that Frankenstein's monster didn't have access to some MChan where he could get all of his worst thoughts and feelings normalized, amplified, and signal boosted, before rampaging out again to "get the high score."

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[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Is this satire? Must be a slow news day if they’re caring about universities discussing books they haven’t read in ways they don’t like. They say that as if they haven’t been trying to do the Draco in Leather Pants trope over the goddamn confederacy or Nazi Germany.

What’s the matter? Not enough brown people to fearmonger over?

[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

It's from 2018, but not satire.

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago

I imagine the following path to publication:

Some Nazi incel STEMlord is forced by the woke SJW cabal to READ a BOOK in COMMIE LITERATURE GE class 1984 —> whines about it to his shithead parents in the hopes they sue the school for violating his rights —> Shithead parents make a phone call to their friend who writes ragebait articles for a nazi tabloid hoping to ride the coattails into a fox news appearance

[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 22 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Knowledge is knowing Frankenstein wasn't the monster.

Wisdom is knowing he was.

[–] your_moms_account@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hate when people say this. The monster does horrible things to innocent people, whereas Victor doesn't really do anything out of malice. And everyone always talks about what a fine gentleman Victor is every time they mention him.

Moreover the quote is basically, "knowledge is repeating a fact you heard somewhere, wisdom is repeating a glib misinterpretation you heard somewhere"

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[–] Commiejones@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

Pedantry is asserting that as Dr. Frankenstein's creation/child the monster should by all rights be called Mr. Frankenstein.

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[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Nonwoke take on one of the oldest monster stories of all times: MONSTER BAD AND UGLY AND EVIL KILL IT KILL IT I AM VERY HEROIC grillman

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I bet I could take Frankenstein. He'd be crying because he was woke and respects women and I'd fucking punch him so hard, probably kill him.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago

As long as you're cool, calm, and collected you can just evade and hit weak points. smuglord

[–] buh@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago

They didn’t have BJJ when Frankenstein was invented, I bet I could get him in a chokehold

[–] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago

You might be able to do a CQC hug and then tell him "it's not your fault" as a finisher

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[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Now let me tell you about Goblin Slayer"

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

"Actually the author said that the goblins aren't intelligent in any meaningful way and are more like a fungal infection that conveniently needs SV to reproduce"

smuglord hitler-detector

[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

From Wikipedia:

After initially being disgusted by both Goblin Slayer's merciless brutality towards goblins as well as him continuously drenching her in goblin blood which covers the scents of humans, elves, and women

hitler-detector kombucha-disgust

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

I hate that fash slop so much.

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[–] DengistDonnieDarko@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

when I was in high school I was in the teacher's supply closet and stole a copy of Frankenstein that one of the other classes was reading. I'm 100% sure if I just asked my teacher to borrow a copy she wouldve lent it to me no questions asked. it had this cover art

this is unrelated to the thread but it's a fun little memory I share when I remember Frankenstein is a thing.

[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago (3 children)

that's not Frankensteins monster

that's just some guy

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 16 points 1 month ago

Frankenstein's neighbor.

[–] your_moms_account@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It looks so much more like Frankenstein's monster than the pop culture thing does.

Information about its appearance in the book: a bigger-than-average human sewn together from large bits of corpses.

That looks like it.

[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

True, much more accurate than Mr Bolt Through The Neck, but in my mind the stitching was always more apparent, and the parts less perfect in their symmetry.

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago

The part that always is funny to me is that somebody just decided to make him a mint green color like something you'd see in a 1950s furniture store and everyone just rolled with it

[–] ComradeMonotreme@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

There's mixed reaction to the 1994 film, but what I liked is that initially the stitching is very obvious as well as as the asymmetry of the various body parts. But as the film goes on the stitches have fallen out or rotted away and the join areas have scarred and then faded, everything sort of settling into place. So he looks like a very scarred man rather than a sewn together creation, which highlights that he is more of a living being not a zombie or undead.

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[–] DengistDonnieDarko@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago

imagine someone taking your picture then telling you "this is for my book about a MONSTROUS FREAK who KILLS PEOPLE"

oh ... okay .... kitty-birthday-sad

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[–] AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social 13 points 1 month ago

Nah nah nah nah, the big brain take here is that this is Poe's law in action and the writer is a plant who's been waiting for their moment.

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

Is this a Fire Nation meme is-this

[–] your_moms_account@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's a book with multiple interpretations, like any halfway-good bit of art. Only absolute schlock has moral clarity.

The monster obviously isn't the good guy, as he strangles children.

The baizou thing of "the monster was good" makes no sense. Take any other murderous incel or child-killer and apply the same. Most people who do heinous murders didn't have easy lives prior to that; it's not a justification.

But the monster gets to give his side of the story a lot, in long monologues. I feel some people took them monologues too literally, said, "This is the message of the book", and I took it as the distorted ravings of monstrous psychology, with his subjective validity.

[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah, but I think given Shelley's circles more radical tendencies, the interpretation of some revolutionary allegory is a strong one, especially when you think of that Rousseau(?) poem about the ruling class creating the 'monsters' that will destroy them.

The Monster isn't some child killer with a tough past, he's a child born into an adults body, cast out into the cold by his creator, and then spurned on account of his perceived inhumanity by every living being.

Most murderers get accepted by some initially, and when they don't it's on account of their bad vibes. The Monster showed himself to be very emotionally capable in spite of his troubles, and capable of living amongst humanity, especially in his covert benevolence towards the blind mans family. He even rescues a child, but is then shot at because people perceive him to be a monster.

[–] CupcakeOfSpice@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

I think it would've been fairly easy for readers at the time to say "the monster's a murderer, that's the story." It's easy for others to say the monster's a victim and not responsible for his actions. We see the two points of view throughout this comments. The comparison to an incel is almost silly, though. "Man decides women are The Problem and becomes dangerous" is different from "Man is abandoned and feared by his only parent at birth, he has the impulse control of a small child (recall he was literally just born) and he has the body of a very large adult man." He even does try to be good, but is angered by people dehumanizing him for his appearance. (Dehumanizing people based on things they have no control over: sound familiar?) But then there's the important bit: this does not absolve his crimes! He is, in fact, a murderer. But the people who hated him also bear responsibility. Most of all his parent who did no rearing, teaching, or literally anything but screaming and running bears responsibility. Is he a killer? Yes! Is he a victim? Yes! Is Victor responsible for everything? Also, yes! The people who rejected him responsible? Less so, but yes!

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