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I’m back! It’s been a while since I’ve been on this site because I’ve found myself under some financial trouble and I’ve been stressed BUT I wanted to take this opportunity to talk about something I love dearly: dihedral groups!

Consider the symmetries of a square:

We can see that there are 4 reflections and 3 rotations, as well as the act of doing nothing at all. Together, we have 8 total symmetries, and in fact, these are all of the possible symmetries. What this means is that if we do one of these symmetric moves and then do another one, we will have not changed the square, and therefore doing these two moves is the same as doing just one of the 8 symmetries on its own. For example, doing a 90 degree rotation followed by a 180 degree rotation is the same as doing a 270 degree rotation. Also, doing a 90 degree rotation followed by a reflection across the vertical axis is the same as doing a reflection across a diagonal axis.

So in other words, we can define a function that takes two symmetries of a square as input and which outputs another symmetry. Since standard multiplication is a function taking two numbers and outputting another number, it makes sense to borrow the notation of multiplication for this function. Our symmetry function satisfies a few useful properties:

  • Closure: As explained above, for any two symmetries, the function will spit out another symmetry
  • Identity: There is a symmetry (namely, the “do nothing” symmetry) such that when it is input into the function with another symmetry, the function will always simply output the other symmetry
  • Associativity: For any symmetries a, b, and c, (ab)c = a(bc)
  • Inverses: For every symmetry, there is a symmetry that undoes it. For example, rotating a square by 270 degrees undoes rotating it by 90 degrees, and doing a reflection a second time after doing it once undoes the first reflection

These 4 properties are so important that any set of objects with a function defined on it that satisfies all of these properties has a special name: they’re called groups and they’re really freaking awesome. The symmetries of a square as a group is called D~8~, since there are 8 total symmetries. Sometimes you might see it called D~4~, since squares have 4 sides, but I think this convention is a bit silly. In the same way, D~6~ is the symmetries of an equilateral triangle, D~10~ is the symmetries of a regular pentagon, and so forth. In general, D~2n~ is the symmetries of a regular n-gon.

Now, one interesting thing is that groups can contain each other. For example, consider an octagon. Since there are squares hidden within the points of octagons, if we pick a square we can see that all of the symmetries of that square are present in the symmetries of of the octagon, so it is possible to throw out all of the other symmetries. What we would be left with is just the symmetries of a square. What this means is that D~8~ is contained in D~16~. You can play similar games to show that there are lots of groups contained inside the dihedral groups.

The last thing I want to talk about regarding these things are their subgroup lattices. Oftentimes mathematicians want to picture the internal structure of a group. One of the ways they might do this is by writing down all of the subgroups of a group they’re studying onto a piece of paper, and then connecting any two with a line if one of them is a subgroup of the other that doesn’t have a subgroup between them. The resulting picture is called a subgroup lattice, and I’ve left some dihedral group lattices below because I think they’re pretty.

two cute dihedral subgroup lattices holding hands and cuddling

Anyway this has been gushposting with your host, yewler. Maybe next mega I might talk about more specific details that make these things cool.

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[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 6 points 6 hours ago

dysphoria screamingit's 1 am, time to get really existentially dysphoric and scream at the gods in my head again

[–] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

hornyYou ever just wanna fuck a guy and a lady but not in a poly threesome way, more like hoping for someone who's genderfluid or whatever

Well that's where I'm at

[–] awth13@hexbear.net 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

wowowowoI am that kind of person but nobody is fucking me :(

[–] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 4 points 3 hours ago

spoilerWhat a terrible tragedy all around

[–] XiaCobolt@hexbear.net 9 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

In hindsight replying to my mother whose asked "I just wanted to make sure you hadn't joined a cult?" With "the only cult is the one I've escaped! The cult of Masculinity which has oppressed women, Cis and trans, for over five thousand years!" Sounds pretty cult-y, even if it's true.

[–] Thallo@hexbear.net 6 points 9 hours ago

My sister was also asked if I got hooked into a cult -_-

[–] Disaster_of_Passion@hexbear.net 4 points 9 hours ago

I described myself as "queer as hell" as part of the conversation when I came out to my family, and the next day my mom called me freaking out because she had googled that and saw a bunch of rainbow baphomet stickers and thought I was a satanist now.

[–] XiaCobolt@hexbear.net 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Converts are often the biggest zealots

[–] RION@hexbear.net 11 points 11 hours ago

Showed my sister a picture of my new haircut an she thought I had a filter on cause my skin looked so nice Hoggers

[–] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 7 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Okay, as much as I bragged about being a vein whisperer... I'm actually perfect at doing catheter placements. Biological sex, whatever is going on down there, I can get a foley in. Baby? Got it. I have literally never missed once. I have never curled it in someones foreskin, I have never placed it in the vagina and not the urethra. I do not brag about it because I don't wanna be the foley gal... but I am really really good at it and making it fast and as painless as possible

[–] Thallo@hexbear.net 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Okay, I'm not gonna challenge you on this one.

[–] Carcharodonna@hexbear.net 12 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (3 children)

One year ago today I fully realized I’m trans and decided to come out to friends online. 2 weeks later I started HRT. Still not out at work, but I feel like I’ve at least come a long way since last year.

EDIT: That night I was drinking a bit and listening to this over and over to hype myself up: https://youtu.be/yZZA5k4ovxQ

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 16 hours ago
[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 6 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

wait there was a 2 week gap between you realizing you were trans and then starting HRT? damn, nice niko-wonderous

[–] XiaCobolt@hexbear.net 6 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

I didn't realize I was truly trans until like 4 weeks on estrogen. I was just doing a science experiment to make sure I didn't regret not starting estrogen.

[–] Lord_ofThe_FLIES@hexbear.net 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who did this

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 4 points 11 hours ago

I knew I was some flavor of trans like 2 years before I started E, but was still quite unsure when I started E - realized I'd never make any progress if I didn't just try it. That changed fairly quickly and the longer I've been on it, the more certain I've become I don't want to lose it regardless of gender. Wish I had started earlier. Before starting, I did come to the conclusion that I certainly would not regret taking E even if it resulted in usual long-term effects.

[–] Carcharodonna@hexbear.net 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Yep, I dove right into it lol. Had some BIG help from my trans godmother in both realizing I was trans and getting DIY ordered, which only took about a week.

[–] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

lmao and i thought me jumping into it after 2 months was still too quick

[–] Carcharodonna@hexbear.net 6 points 16 hours ago

I also watched I Saw the TV Glow right after and that helped to push me into taking quick action. I’ve spent far too much of my life being cis and didn’t want to waste any more time.

[–] WhoaSlowDownMaurice@hexbear.net 3 points 13 hours ago

Getting less comments on the fanfic that I like writing more compared to the one with longer chapters sadness

Won't link it bc idk if that's doxxing or not

[–] inTheShadowOf@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago

bridget-pride cat-trans transshork-happy

Happy pride month everyone!

Never forget you're infinitely more based than any cis person could ever hope to be - even if it's hard to feel good sometimes. It's been rough this year, but at least now we can legally kill one cis person a day for the entire month. Hope you're all doing okay 💜

[–] XiaCobolt@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

CW parental transphobiaJFC my parents in law broke radio silence after ghosting us for four days, with amazing points such as:

-her mother is sick little birthday girl so we can’t be mad at her

-they feel abandoned. That is despite them not responding to our messages and sending none of their own

-they feel they can’t tell anyone as they’ve been made to hold this secret, we told them we were telling them first prior to my immediate exiting of the closet the next day,

-misunderstood comments like this was a process of discovery over several years from gender fluidity to non binary to clarity, and implied I had secretly decided I was a woman 5 years ago and not told them (god I wish)

-then proceeded a bunch of pestering questions only at me because my partner is interstate for work and posting pics, like I’d have small chat after all that

-and it’s at 10pm before a Monday with shit I’ve got to do and now I’m cooking hot dogs and reading Dorley Hall to calm down

[–] inTheShadowOf@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

transshork-sad That sucks so much. I'm sorry they're being shitty about this. Hope the 10pm hot dogs help, that sounds good

[–] XiaCobolt@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Thank you. Yeah we were just completely blindsided by this, they had been really welcoming and accepting to my trans sibling historically.

I have four hot dogs and I’ll try to finish my book, both will improve things,

Thanks everybody!

[–] inTheShadowOf@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

Of course! Enjoy the book :3

I hope they get their shit together soon

[–] Thallo@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago

was a process of discovery over several years from gender fluidity to non binary to clarity

God, thank you for describing my process exactly.

[–] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Had a bit of a bummer day yesterday (nothing major, just went to town despite my friends cancelling their plans for understandable reasons, and ended up a bit bored and lonely), but I had a dream last night where I was clearly and unambiguously a woman. Most of my dreams involve me in a pre-transition state, so that was very nice and affirming to have.

[–] Thallo@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Big fan of girl dreams. I post like every time I have one.

My favorite was the time I beat the crap out of a bunch of unsavory men with a blunted fencing saber.

[–] XiaCobolt@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Do you know those dreams where you know a fact to be undeniably true without necessary any source of evidence? Like you see a guy and know he’s a postman even though he never said he was and isn’t wearing a uniform?

After starting HRT I had so many of those where’d I be doing something but as a woman, and like nothing would be about me being a woman, but simply I knew I was in the dream as I did something else menial or absurd.

[–] Thallo@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago

Yeah, definitely.

For me, it's as simple as wearing a dress or something in the dream and it not being one of those "omfg I'm wearing a dress in public I have to change also I'm now naked" type dreams i-cant

Also, used my femme voice in my most recent dream~

[–] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In nursing school and at work we did personality tests, my union paid some organization for their custom 4 colour personality test (which more or less is the DISC model just relabeled). Personality tests, to me, are more about just for fun rather than anything serious.

I dunno if I've talked about it here but I was the sole Red in a sea of Blue and Greens with a smattering of Yellows. At work, same deal - I am still the only lonely Red. Red is the Doninance in DISC. Strong willed, ambitious, dominant, you know that kind of thing. The feedback I've got from my manager is that I need to practice better delegation and not just take over. Why must I be a Red WHYYYY

I also think they're silly but do kind of love personality tests.

I had a couple courses in uni where the prof had us take some, one of them was like the OCEAN test or something and had Agreeableness as one of the measures... I remember the prof told me that, by the numbers of the test, I was "the most disagreeable student to ever take the class" doggirl-sweat

[–] buh@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

one of gender-affirming-but-shitty things I do to myself is looking at posts from trans girls living the kind of life I wish I had and letting myself obsess over how jealous I am of them it until it stews into self hatred

this never happened when I looked at posts from conventionally successful men when I thought I was one of them

[–] inTheShadowOf@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's definitely frustrating to feel far from where you want to be, especially seeing people already experiencing it. Accepting being trans and starting HRT are both pretty important steps in that direction though.

What's next on your list of things to do?

[–] buh@hexbear.net 4 points 21 hours ago

I'd like to make friends who I feel comfortable being myself around. But tbh there's still a lot of things I feel dysphoric about before I'm even willing to go out in public presenting in a feminine way, especially with my face, so I guess fixing my face is the next step lol.

[–] XiaCobolt@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] SamotsvetyVIA@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

back to sadme, teehee

[–] Wmill@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago

Was playing some kiwami 2 until my ps4 kept overheating so switched to my ps3 to play some yakuza 4. I was a bit of a weinie by not doing the substories for it when I first beat the game so I'm remedying that now and I think they alright so far. What I been doing is considering these games done when I do the Amon fights which unlock when you do all the substories so it give me some repeatability for them. I really want infinite wealth already but I'm broke so it'll have to wait.

[–] buh@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago

I have a feeling there's not gonna be a book

[–] Boynomoder@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I want Steve’s Lava Chicken

[–] other_platypus@hexbear.net 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] gaystyleJoker@hexbear.net 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] other_platypus@hexbear.net 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

no what we watched the movie together

[–] gaystyleJoker@hexbear.net 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

this is why you tag the damn reference

[–] other_platypus@hexbear.net 2 points 9 hours ago

ok fine Minecraft the movie reference

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