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Pretty sure I alienated everyone in my local furry Discord by saying I'm refusing to vote for Genocide Joe lmao

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Trans and not voting for Joe gang

1. Unless you live in a swing state, it doesn't matter who you vote for. And unless everyone in the discord lives in a swing state, it doesn't matter who they vote for either.

2. If your org has Palestinians, tell the people in that discord you're not voting for someone who ordered the deaths of your comrades' extended families. As far as Palestinians are concerned, Biden murdering their extended family is fucking personal. Nobody's fucking voting for some dude who killed their family and friends.

Don't argue with principles because liberals have none.

I've been baiting people into posting paragraphs of the good things they think Joe Biden did and then replying I don't read the rhetoric of genocide collaborators. Do It at home. It fucking rules.

Nazi furs fuck off.

God how did it fucking come to this. They're lesser eviling over fucking genocide. How did this happen?

The best way to push a candidate left is to promise you'll vote for them no matter what

unless you live in a swing state your vote is symbolic either way. I guess these people would prefer you symbolically vote for a genocidal piece of shit

even if you do live in a swing state good on you for voting based on your principles. the whole "voting for third party candidates is useless because they can't win" is such horseshit. motherfucker, you're the reason why they can't win. they're electable if you vote for them...

Not voting for Biden makes it easier for Trump to win,

Not voting for Trump makes it easier for Biden to win.

and Trump will genocide trans people in addition to Palestinians. Therefore anything you do supports genocide, so you might as well support less genocide."

If either side supports genocide, supporting either side supports genocide. What I am doing is refusing to support genocide.

"Your trans friends will all know that you're functionally anti-trans." (I'm sure this would be a shock to my trans friends in my org, all of whom have made it clear they will also not vote for Biden)

My Palestinian friends appreciate that I'm not functionally anti-palestine. By not voting for Trump, I am not voting for trans genocide.

"Trump would genocide Palestinians even harder."

How exactly?

"Biden wants to stop the genocide, but the Republicans won't let him."

Can you be more specific?

Are they completely ignorant of the trans genocode happening under Biden?

Third parties are an option.... just saying doing the same over and over again expecting differnt results / harm reduction well....

The next is going to be a 4 year term. Both are term limited out. Midterms usually bad for the guy in office's party. So what happens after 2028? Clean election. Possible 2 terms up for grabs. You think after 4 more years of people are going to want another round of Joe Biden's Democrats?

Or you could skip the wait and vote 3rd party.

People voting for biden because he wont make things worse for you personally is also a take pride in your self centredness moment lol

“Evil is evil, Stregobor,” said the witcher seriously as he got up. “Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I’m not a pious hermit. I haven't done only good in my life. But if I’m to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”

Sapkowski has some good takes, for a pole

fucking horrifying lack of empathy from people going "Well they can have a little genocide, as a treat so we wont have any." which isnt even fucking true. Biden was in power when Roe v Wade was taken down. Trans rights are being demolished all around and the democrats do nothing.

Fuck these people.

"Your trans friends will all know that you're functionally anti-trans." (I'm sure this would be a shock to my trans friends in my org, all of whom have made it clear they will also not vote for Biden)

Boy I sure do LOVE being used as a non-consensual pawn in a game of petty internet arguing.

Liberals alway seem to conveniently forget that trans Palestinians exist, and that the biggest danger to trans people living in Gaza currently is not Hamas, but the fascist, genocidal settler state that "lesser evil" Biden is doing everything possible to support

Have pride in your self centeredness, I guess.

i would become feral

"Your trans friends will all know that you're functionally anti-trans."

Hi. Please tell this person specifically that your trans friends say fuck-this-guy-in-particular for weaponising us, he doesn't give fuck about trans people. Screenshot if you like.

Also anyone that votes for someone performing a genocide is complicit in that genocide and legitimising their mandate. The only correct choice is to not give them a mandate. Every single murder that the US performs in conjunction with this war these liberals have knowingly endorsed with their votes, every single death should be thrown in their faces, they now own this blood and have no ability to say "I didn't know he would do that". I feel like saying "you voted for this" to their faces every single fucking time I see a dead child.

[The Palestinian] genocide is going to happen regardless of the two. But the one that's happening here, that one can be stopped. And you refuse to do anything about it because you think you're so much better.

These are just white supremacist freaks, the majority of the country is not gonna vote for genocide Joe, they act like they have some moral high ground while admitting outright to supporting genocide

They don't understand that they've revealed they are willing to sacrifice any ethnic and minority group if it means their political ambitions can be realized vicariously, they're fascists who turn the lives of minorities and non-whites into political currency

I live in an "important" swing state. PA. Seems to end up deciding most of the elections for the last couple decades.

Joe Brandon hasn't "earned" my vote. And honestly until Oct last year, sure, I probably would have "lesser evil" waddled my ass over and pushed the button for him. But when he came out on Oct 8 and lied about beheaded babies (a lie which was literally known FROM THE JUMP to be a lie) and promised to support Israel in anything to come, well the chances of me voting for his geriatric genocidal ass dropped to zero within about a week.

I'm obviously not justifying any of this stuff, but let's say he let the IOF bomb totally confirmed and proven (publicly released intelligence afterward to prove it) militant sites for a week. Then said "ok, you killed all the guys who broke in, you destroyed a bunch of their shit, you're done. Give them all the people you have detained and get back all the Israelis who were taken on Oct 7." Again, not saying this would be justice. But I think this basic scenario is what the world broadly expected. A totally disproportionate retaliation, thousands murdered, then resolve things back to the status quo as it existed Oct 6. Again, I think this would've been bad. But we wouldn't have a genocide and STILL this ongoing ethnic cleansing and mass starvation. I could plausibly say "Joe allowed all this, but Trump would've just done the whole thing." But obviously we don't even live in the lesser evil world...

And it's not like I'm a single issue "fuck you Biden" guy. Supporting the genocide was just the absolute last straw on a camel that had come into existence with a broken back.

Other shit Biden has done which is just explicitly moronic outside of Israel support:

• Ukraine support (worse: forcing the war to continue)
• instigating war with China literally constantly mostly around pushing a false narrative of Xi invading Taiwan
• domestically, never ending Trump's deportation practices as he promised. Proposing a third reich style bill eventually instead of explaining the entire issue is made up by the right wing
• hasn't done anything of significance to expand full medical coverage to everyone, hasn't forgiven all student debt or even the piddling amount he promised (self-cucking to SCOTUS who has no enforcement powers)
• not expanding SCOTUS to dilute the insane right wingers
• not openly pushing for removal of the multiple openly super corrupt SCOTUS justices
• not pushing for DC/PR to become states thus securing 4 democratic senate seats and some house seats basically forever (diluting the senate's power and SCOTUS are basically the only "reforms" capable of causing significant positive change. Neither institution should exist)
• the list goes on.

Biden didn't promise most of that, in fairness to him, but also that's exactly why he was dogshit and Bernie, who was already the compromise candidate, was the only acceptable candidate in 2016/2020. (Obviously his stance on Israel is... bad.)

I didn't vote in 2016 after Bernie got fucked because fuck Hillary. She's a warmonger and she can and will rot in hell. I will never vote for her, gun to my head. And I won't be voting for Biden nor his replacement if there is one. Not because Trump is better, no, domestically he's gonna be more of the same mostly but in some specific areas it will absolutely be far worse. And the fault for that lies on, well, obviously the Republicans but also the dems who have enabled him and still continue enabling him by actions such as still supporting an animated corpse named Joe Biden. If they were serious about not having Trump elected they wouldn't be supporting Israel during an obvious genocide and they'd have done things to those IN POWER who enabled Trump last time. They didn't do shit. They locked up some hogs that broke into the capitol building, ok, but Trump isn't in jail nor does it seem he will be going. Bannon got caught on the self-caused refusal to testify- he should've been rotting already. Same for Roger Stone, Stephen Miller, Jared, Trump's sons, etc. No one in power in the Democratic Party has demonstrated to me that they believe even 1% of their bullshit... so why should I?

Voting for Biden won't make things better. Not voting for him won't make things better either. Nothing is gonna get better purely through these two parties and elections. Real power and any good change will emerge from normal people, probably through good union leaders that pursue politics. That's the best case scenario anyway, because the realistic scenario for the US specifically..... well.... I'll spare everyone that doom reading.

But yeah, liberals can suck my ass. Not voting for genocide Joe. He was already 98% shit on Oct 6....... then he went and did a genocide. Fuck him

Anyone who votes for a president actively enabling a genocide is complicit in that genocide, and voting for a guy who promises the same is also being complicit. Compromise is one thing, perfect candidates don't exist and libs suck and have shitty politics, but a line must be drawn as to what can be accepted in those margins and genocide surpasses it. Any sort of endorsement is complicity and anyone who does so should be treated as the collaborators they are.

The cope will only become more and more hilarious as we get closer to the election

"Your trans friends will all know that you're functionally anti-trans." (I'm sure this would be a shock to my trans friends in my org, all of whom have made it clear they will also not vote for Biden)

Dog shit argument I'll fight them IRL

I feel like there is some neurosis in seppos about voting. It so doesn’t matter it’s not even funny.

P.s.And they are voting for one genocide instead of zero, so they have roughly 0.0005 (round 10 days I think) of palestinian life on their hands, if we do moralistic arguments

First off, amazing title. Tagline pls.

That argument about trans people sucks ass, and not in a sexual way.
"Genocide only matters when it happens to meeeeee"
It's also stupid because we didn't used to have genocide as something that was just given (we did, but not something libs acknowledged) now we do. Do they think it just stops here? If you accept genocide there's not going to be less of it. Next election it'll be "well sure trans people are being killed, but our candidate doesn't want to murder homosexuals! If you vote for their guy you'll get killed. It's about stopping the genocide that's yet to happen!"

Also Biden is enabling persecution if trans people, so it doesn't even make sense. "Well he's just allowing you to be gathered into camps, he's not ordering it himself and youre not getting murdered by the state, yet. If you dont vote for us, you will be. Also we're not going to do anything to change conditions." Its just a straight up threat to keep trans people in line.

Point out that you do not support genocide, so therefore you won't vote for Biden. You don't support trans genocide either, which is why you won't vote for Trump.
Reassure them by saying that you'll be not voting for Trump more than you'll be not voting for Biden. Since not voting for Biden is a vote Trump and vice versa, then you have functionally voted for Biden, so there's nothing to be mad about.
Call them spineless for accepting genocide, and make some suggestion of direct action they can do. If they're truly supportive of Palestine, then they'll want to help, right? So they'll donate to help some people out over there, right?

I'm not voting for genocide joe (who owes me $2000 (and I wouldn't vote for him even if he paid up))

they alienaed you by beeing complicit in Genocide , Rape , Appartheit ,Genocide and Elder Abuse..

Fuck 'em. If Joe / Democrat replacement does lose, be sure to personally take credit.

Quick questions for them:

What has Biden actually done to protect trans people through legislation?

Do they believe that international law needs to be upheld?

Do they think that it's okay to be complicit in genocide?

Created a furry account just to say this: Would you perhaps be interested in joining a furry communist discord? :3c